Author Topic: Leprosy (Read 8585 times)

Minister Polarius · « **on:** August 27, 2009, 06:36:21 PM »

I know this was brought up before and there wasn't anything definitive, but I can't find the thread. HoH includes all word forms of the words it prevents. High Places should let you use Leprosy because of that precedent. "Placed" is just the passive form of "place."

Master KChief · « **Reply #1 on:** August 27, 2009, 06:40:04 PM »

agreed. any solid ruling on this?

fwiw, i dont think i am truth lets you use other forms of 'ignores'.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #2 on:** August 27, 2009, 06:52:01 PM »

All copies of HoH were errata'd to target the abilities, not the words.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #3 on:** August 27, 2009, 06:57:37 PM »

It was still like that for 7 (?) years, so I think it's a pretty good precedent. You also have the old Priestly Breastplate (Negate "ignore" and "repel"), which doesn't have an errata.

adamfincher · « **Reply #4 on:** August 27, 2009, 07:03:26 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on August 27, 2009, 06:40:04 PM

agreed. any solid ruling on this?

fwiw, i dont think i am truth lets you use other forms of 'ignores'.

i had that ruled on at a tourney and it does. ie you can use no need for spices.

adamfincher · « **Reply #5 on:** August 27, 2009, 07:04:52 PM »

you know.. you could abuse plaged with disease with this...

Professoralstad · « **Reply #6 on:** August 27, 2009, 11:26:43 PM »

I don't know how official it is, but I heard some leanings toward the negative from people. I would very much like to see it not be that way though, as I know of at least one spectacularly awesome 'placed' card. I would almost certainly put Darius' Decree in every deck if it were to be allowed though, for fear of people abusing it.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** August 27, 2009, 11:54:12 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 27, 2009, 11:26:43 PM

I don't know how official it is, but I heard some leanings toward the negative from people. I would very much like to see it not be that way though, as I know of at least one spectacularly awesome 'placed' card. I would almost certainly put Darius' Decree in every deck if it were to be allowed though, for fear of people abusing it.

Joseph's Brothers' Scheme?

That would be fun. Aren't that and Leprosy like the only cards that would benefit from this though?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #8 on:** August 28, 2009, 01:15:07 AM »

That's the one. I thought about it when I saw HiP, but then realized it said "placed". Being able to have a hero side battle on your turn before your rescue attempt would be crazy though. The possibilities are endless. And probably broken.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #9 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:04:59 AM »

Other cards that "target" words:
Dart, Barnabas, Deadly Snare - "False" in title
Deliverance, Prison Guards - "Prison" in title
Epaphroditus - "Paul" in title
The Seventh Seal - "Trumpet" or "Censer" in title
Herodian - "Herod" in title
Belt of Truth - "False", "Lies", "Deceived", or "Deceit" in title
Que - "Mist" in title
Covenant Keepers - "Covenant" in title
Banner of Truth (Priests) - "False" or "Deceit" in title
Leviathan - "Ship" in title
Bartiamaeus - "Faith" in title
King's Sword (C Deck), Interceding for Battle - "Immune" in SA
Haman's Plot Exposed - "Discard" or "Capture" in SA
David - "David" in title
Shadow - "Snare" in SA
Priestly Breastplate (C Deck) - "Ignore" and "Repel" in SA
I Am Love - "Ignores" in SA
I Am Truth - "Ignore" in SA

With the exception of the last 3, I don't really see any problems by limiting it to the specific words, rather than including the various forms.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #10 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:14:29 AM »

Quote from: RedemptionAggie on August 28, 2009, 02:04:59 AM

Herodian - "Herod" in title

Fixed.

Also, you forgot David, Shadow, and many others.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #11 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:18:42 AM »

What else did I miss? I got that from a rough search of the old URCL and missed those 2.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #12 on:** August 28, 2009, 02:22:41 AM »

I thought there were more O.o I cou5ld be very, very wrong, though.

RedemptionAggie · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2009, 03:00:47 AM »

I searched for word, ", and a different quote symbol (I had to copy and paste) to get what I had. I missed Shadow (had quotes around "The Darkness" and "Demonic Stronghold", and I didn't read the whole SA), and those searches didn't catch David. I don't know that I found everything, but I don't know what else to look for.

You could make a case for Warriors Shield of Faith (Hero is immune to Bows, Arrows, Spears, Javelins, and Darts.), since I think Bows are enhancements with "Bow" in the title, etc. But that's more of a classification than looking for the word, I think.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:11:32 PM »

what was the ruling on this?

Isildur · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2009, 01:46:40 PM »

From what I understand High Places is not playing cards because of "place" ability but because the card has the word place on it. So I would rule that Leprosy would not be playable with High Places.

Ryupeco11 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:58:22 AM »

sorry to revive this thread after about 3 months but I was curious about something. The "play as" for leprosy has the word "place" in it so would that enable it to be used with high places?

Master KChief · « **Reply #17 on:** January 11, 2010, 04:01:22 AM »

good catch, i would say yes.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #18 on:** January 11, 2010, 10:42:35 AM »

Quote from: Ryupeco11 on January 11, 2010, 12:58:22 AM

sorry to revive this thread after about 3 months but I was curious about something. The "play as" for leprosy has the word "place" in it so would that enable it to be used with high places?

As far as I know, the "play as" doesn't change the special ability, it just clarifies how the card is played. The special ability is still what's written on the card, which says "placed". So I would say no, unfortunately.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #19 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:27:52 PM »

Last I knew HP did place and placed and IAT did ignores and ignore. Am I wrong? I mean Ignore/Place is the root word, all you are changing is the tense.

STAMP · « **Reply #20 on:** January 11, 2010, 12:43:15 PM »

Although the card designers and playtesters are very thorough, things have slipped through that cause these type of problems. I think Belt of Truth (Ki) was designed to target every version of "lie" or "deceit" that were in existence at the time. But now we have Deceiving Spirit. I believe the general intent of Belt of Truth (Ki) would have been to be able to target Deceiving Spirit.

My feeling is that unless it breaks the game, all cards that reference words as targets should be able to reference any form of the word. That way, future cards like a "Judged Falsely" and "Wicked Liars" can be targeted.

By making the rule that you have to match a word exactly, the creativity of the card designers is unnecessarily "handcuffed".

Professoralstad · « **Reply #21 on:** January 11, 2010, 01:19:09 PM »

Quote from: STAMP on January 11, 2010, 12:43:15 PM

Although the card designers and playtesters are very thorough, things have slipped through that cause these type of problems. I think Belt of Truth (Ki) was designed to target every version of "lie" or "deceit" that were in existence at the time. But now we have Deceiving Spirit. I believe the general intent of Belt of Truth (Ki) would have been to be able to target Deceiving Spirit.

My feeling is that unless it breaks the game, all cards that reference words as targets should be able to reference any form of the word. That way, future cards like a "Judged Falsely" and "Wicked Liars" can be targeted.

By making the rule that you have to match a word exactly, the creativity of the card designers is unnecessarily "handcuffed".

I agree. I think it would be better if "placed" cards could be used with High Places (with the possible exception of Joseph's Brother's Scheme, which could be devastating if it could be used before battle in my opinion.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #22 on:** January 11, 2010, 01:20:22 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on January 11, 2010, 01:19:09 PM

Quote from: STAMP on January 11, 2010, 12:43:15 PM
Although the card designers and playtesters are very thorough, things have slipped through that cause these type of problems. I think Belt of Truth (Ki) was designed to target every version of "lie" or "deceit" that were in existence at the time. But now we have Deceiving Spirit. I believe the general intent of Belt of Truth (Ki) would have been to be able to target Deceiving Spirit.

My feeling is that unless it breaks the game, all cards that reference words as targets should be able to reference any form of the word. That way, future cards like a "Judged Falsely" and "Wicked Liars" can be targeted.

By making the rule that you have to match a word exactly, the creativity of the card designers is unnecessarily "handcuffed".

I agree. I think it would be better if "placed" cards could be used with High Places (with the possible exception of Joseph's Brother's Scheme, which could be devastating if it could be used before battle in my opinion.

But using it claims your thing because it would capture a human.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #23 on:** January 11, 2010, 01:21:57 PM »

It would capture a human from battle though...not from territory.

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #24 on:** January 11, 2010, 01:22:52 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on January 11, 2010, 01:21:57 PM

It would capture a human from battle though...not from territory.

oh...duh

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Author Topic: Leprosy (Read 8585 times)