Author Topic: Legality of Set aside cards (Read 3200 times)

Gohanick · « **on:** February 21, 2009, 01:54:16 PM »

From the REG

Set-aside enhancements

A set-aside enhancement has the phrase “set a (type of character) aside” in its special ability. A set-aside enhancement can be played on a character of matching brigade in your territory during your Preparation Phase or Discard Phase. Its special ability activates even though it is played outside of battle. You may also play them in battle according to the rules of initiative. You can direct the effect of the set-aside card to any character you own and currently control. You may set aside a character with multiple set-aside cards if they are played at the same time.

The bold statement seems to come in conflict with cards such as:

'He Is Risen'
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: White • Ability: 3 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and set aside X Evil Characters for X turns. You may add a N.T. angel to battle. • Attributes: X = the number of your N.T. female Heroes in play • Identifiers: NT, X = the number of your N.T. female Heroes in play

and

Two Possessed by Demons
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set any 2 humans aside until Son of God is played. • Identifiers: NT, Connected with Demons

and

High Priest's Maid
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Black • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may set aside a N.T. human for three turns. If you do, remove this card from the game after battle. • Identifiers: NT Female Human

Each of these cards has intentions of setting your opponent's cards aside but this contradicts the statement "You can direct the effect of the set-aside card to any character you own and currently control."

From what I have gathered, it seems like there are two possibilities for a ruling on this:

1: The Reg is incorrect and you can set aside opponent's characters (which would include outside of battle)
2: You can only set aside opponent's characters during battle (which would need clarification to the REG)

If 2 isn't correct, you could play Two Possessed by demons and 'He is Risen' outside of battle and set aside opponent's cards. If it is correct, you can still play these outside of battle but only target your own characters?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #1 on:** February 21, 2009, 02:09:46 PM »

That is actually the rulebook quote, which has been clarified in the REG under Instant Abilities -> Set-Aside. A key section deals with targets:

Targets of Ability

By default, a set-aside card must target a card in play. For example, you cannot set a character aside from your hand unless a card states otherwise, nor can you set a character aside that is already set aside.

By default, your good set-aside cards target only your own Heroes, but can target Evil Characters of any player. Likewise, your evil set-aside cards can target only your own Evil Characters, but can target Heroes of any player.

Set-aside cards do not interrupt other abilities. (So, for example, no card may be set aside if it is being discarded. If a character has been set aside, it is out of the Field of Play and cannot be affected by special abilities unless the card states that it may. Set-aside cards may not be played on your opponent’s characters unless the set-aside card states that you may.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #2 on:** February 21, 2009, 02:13:48 PM »

In summary, yes, you can play 2PbD and HiR outside of battle to set aside your opponent's cards. High Priest's Maid, however, is a Character and follows the regular rules for a character ability (ie: they must enter battle for it to activate)

Gohanick · « **Reply #3 on:** February 21, 2009, 02:18:20 PM »

I'm still not clear on this.

So I can play 'He is Risen" during my preparation phase and set aside my opponent's evil characters? (Seems ridiculously overpowered).

I can also play Two Possessed by demons during my prep phase but it can only target my evil characters or my opponent's heroes?

Arch Angel · « **Reply #4 on:** February 21, 2009, 02:38:26 PM »

As far as I am aware, yes, yes you can.

Sean · « **Reply #5 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:10:41 PM »

He is Risen and Two Possessed by Demons can only target opponent's characters when played in battle as far as I know. That's how its been ruled thus far anyway.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #6 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:16:33 PM »

I can't find anything in the REG/rules stating that, though I may just be overlooking it. Any thoughts on where that is?

Sean · « **Reply #7 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:19:34 PM »

You can't set them aside out of battle because you don't control them. It is in the very first post of this thread. I do think though that set asides could use more clarification because of cards like these.

Gohanick · « **Reply #8 on:** February 21, 2009, 04:21:08 PM »

then what lets you target opponent's cards once you are in battle? you still aren't controlling them

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #9 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:05:29 PM »

From the REG under Instant Abilities -> Set-Aside -> How to Play:

Set-aside cards may be played on any character you control in play with matching brigade. Set-aside cards remain on the character in the set-aside area until the character is returned to the field of play. When you set aside your opponent's card during a battle, after the battle you must put the set-aside enhancement with the card you set aside. The character can return during any preparation phase, unless the set-aside card has a specified endpoint. The set-aside card is then discarded.

1.) You can only set aside your opponents' characters in battle following the rules of initiative.
2.) You can set aside your own characters outside of battle if you control them and you can activate the set-aside card on a matching brigade character.

Gohanick · « **Reply #10 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:23:52 PM »

The problem with your first statement is I haven't seen any evidence that you can only set aside opponent's characters in battle.

the bolded part, "When you set aside your opponent's card during a battle" only indicates when. It doesn't say anything about this being the only time to set aside opponent's cards.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #11 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:29:56 PM »

Quote from: Gohanick on February 21, 2009, 05:23:52 PM

The problem with your first statement is I haven't seen any evidence that you can only set aside opponent's characters in battle.

That is the reason the rulebook has the quote:

A set-aside enhancement can be played on a character of matching brigade in your territory during your Preparation Phase or Discard Phase.

In battle, all set-aside enhancements have the follow the rules of initiative (as stated earlier).

Gohanick · « **Reply #12 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:32:38 PM »

But playing a set aside enhancement and choosing its targets are separate entities

Rubber band warrior · « **Reply #13 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:35:28 PM »

Quote from: Sean on February 21, 2009, 04:10:41 PM

He is Risen and Two Possessed by Demons can only target opponent's characters when played in battle as far as I know. That's how its been ruled thus far anyway.

Agreed, otherwise I'd have a killer T2 deck. We had a discussion about this last year during State tournament times. Two Possessed by Demons cannot target your opponents characters unless it is played in battle.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #14 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:37:36 PM »

The following is from the rulebook (page 34):

A player may not set aside an opponent’s character unless:

• The special ability of the enhancement specifically states that the opponent’s character may be targeted and

• The set-aside card is activated on a character in the Field of Battle.

Gohanick · « **Reply #15 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:45:23 PM »

thanks for the clarification : )

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #16 on:** February 21, 2009, 05:46:27 PM »

That's what we're here for.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #17 on:** February 22, 2009, 09:08:11 AM »

Nice work, YMT.

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