Author Topic: David's Tent vs. Micheal (Read 1433 times)

megamanlan · « **on:** February 11, 2012, 01:17:02 AM »

Does a Weapon played on Mike negated if converted by David's Tent?

Micheal
12/6 Silver Warrior Class Hero
Revelation 12:7
Enhancements played by Micheal cannot be negated.

David's Tent
Multi Good Fortress
1 Samuel 17:54, Holds any # of weapons
If your Hero defeats an Evil Character carrying a weapon class enhancement, take weapon and place it in this Site. During Site phase, holder may convert a weapon here to any good brigade and place on a warrior class Hero. Special ability on converted weapon has no effect.

I think I may know the answer, but I want to be sure.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #1 on:** February 11, 2012, 01:50:53 AM »

As the tent isn't Negating the Sa and is really removing it from the card I would assume the Sa will not carry over.

Irish_Luck · « **Reply #2 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:49:08 AM »

Yeah, the special ability isn't being negated, just ignored.

browarod · « **Reply #3 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:30:29 AM »

"Has no effect" is old wording for ignore, so I would agree with the two posters above: David's Tent doesn't negate the ability, it just ignores it (much like a Hero converted to an EC) so even played on Michael the enhancement's special ability would not work.

Jmbeers · « **Reply #4 on:** February 11, 2012, 03:29:30 PM »

Ahimelech, Priest at Nob Sa says: "Search discard pile for a weapon class Enhancement and place on your warrior class Hero that has no weapon and convert weapon to that Hero's brigade.

"I'm assuming your looking for two thousand horses." So in play you could discard two thousand horses from hand at some point in play. Then make a rescue attempt with Ahimelech and search for 2KH and place it on Michael in your territory.

Its a long process but the result is awesome.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #5 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:12:56 PM »

Another nice place (not as epic as 2K horses) is Angels Sword on Ashael, with his CTB ability.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #6 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:17:57 PM »

Special Abilities cannot be ignored, only Characters or Brigades. David's Tent needs a play-as.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #7 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:21:10 PM »

It does, though it's something of an errata. (Cue Futurama Fry "Unsure if errata or Play As")

David's Tent (Ki)

Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: If your Hero defeats an Evil Character carrying a weapon class enhancement, take weapon and place it in this Site. During Site phase, holder may convert a weapon here to any good brigade and place on a warrior class Hero. Special ability on converted weapon has no effect. • Play As: If your Hero defeats an Evil Character carrying a weapon class enhancement, take weapon and place it here. During Preparation Phase, holder may convert a weapon here to any good brigade and place on his warrior class Hero. Negate special ability on converted weapon. David's Tent may hold any number of weapon class enhancements. • Identifiers: Play to territory. • Verse: I Samuel 17:54 • Availability: Kings booster packs (Uncommon)

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #8 on:** February 11, 2012, 04:23:24 PM »

Oh, well then problem solved. Whoever posted the SA just posted the wrong thing.

Michael would not be able to use it CBN because by the time his SA activates, the weapon has already been negated. CBN cannot be granted retroactively.

megamanlan · « **Reply #9 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:32:26 PM »

I don't understand... Why wouldn't Mike make it CBN?

lp670sv · « **Reply #10 on:** February 11, 2012, 11:45:44 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 11, 2012, 11:32:26 PM

I don't understand... Why wouldn't Mike make it CBN?

David's tents ability activates first, michael's ability does not undo that.

megamanlan · « **Reply #11 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:04:30 AM »

It offically Negates it, but Enhancements used on Mike are CBN and according to the rules of Negating if a card is Negated before it's effect is active it's prevented but then a card makes it CBN that overrules that ability. At least that was my understanding.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #12 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:30:07 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on February 12, 2012, 12:04:30 AM

It offically Negates it, but Enhancements used on Mike are CBN and according to the rules of Negating if a card is Negated before it's effect is active it's prevented but then a card makes it CBN that overrules that ability. At least that was my understanding.

Mike's ability is only active in battle. Cards can't get retroactive CBN (i.e., I can't play FiOHP after you've negated my "He is Risen" to make "He is Risen" CBN.) The weapon was negated before Mike could make it CBN, so it was negated.

megamanlan · « **Reply #13 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:42:55 AM »

Okay, that makes more sense then. Does that mean that Territory Class cards played on Mike are not CBN too?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #14 on:** February 12, 2012, 12:49:59 AM »

That is correct. For example, Wheel Within a Wheel will not be CBN when played by Michael unless played in battle. If you can get that to happen, put it on TSA so you can't be stopped by Uzzah, CM, UW, Grapes, or any other meta-block that's not KoT.

megamanlan · « **Reply #15 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:40:53 AM »

Oh, that's interesting... So would Ezekiel make it CBN?

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:43:05 AM »

Yes if played on him in battle, no if in territory.

megamanlan · « **Reply #17 on:** February 12, 2012, 03:51:23 AM »

Is that the same for Isaiah's Call? Because if so, then it's much easier to stop then I thought.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #18 on:** February 12, 2012, 10:37:56 AM »

There are no exceptions.

megamanlan · « **Reply #19 on:** February 12, 2012, 01:43:09 PM »

Cool!

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Author Topic: David's Tent vs. Micheal (Read 1433 times)

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