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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: SignoftheStar on October 18, 2013, 03:14:54 PM

Title: Lazarus
Post by: SignoftheStar on October 18, 2013, 03:14:54 PM

Ok, more questions:

Lazarus. When he's discarded and the rescue attempt fails, you get to grab a convert Enhancement from your discard pile and start another battle, blah blah blah.

Does this activate in the discard pile, or does it not rather happen as he is being discarded? Subsequently, can this ability be negated during battle, as by Sapphira, or can it not, as it is activated AFTER battle?

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: Nameless on October 18, 2013, 05:52:33 PM

If his ability is negated it cannot take affect later in the battle.

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: SignoftheStar on October 18, 2013, 05:55:27 PM

But that's what I'm asking... IS it in the battle? It seems to activate AFTER the battle based on resolution.

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: SignoftheStar on October 18, 2013, 06:13:41 PM

...or is it like this?

Because the abilities of characters activate in battle, does that mean that it goes off when Lazarus enters battle but more or less just acts like a condition saying that, in the event that Lazarus loses the battle and gets discarded, you will be able to take the Enhancement and start a new battle?

In other words, it DOES activate during battle, and can thus be negated during battle, but only ever actually does something if, AFTER the battle, Lazarus loses and gets discarded.

Is that right?

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: Redoubter on October 19, 2013, 12:16:14 AM

Like all character abilities, it activates when the character is put into battle.  Like all ongoing abilities with a delayed condition or trigger, if it is negated before the condition is met, the rest of the ability does not happen.

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: SignoftheStar on October 19, 2013, 01:14:09 AM

Ok, well put. Not delayed ACTIVATION, delayed TRIGGER.

That makes sense. As always, thanks, Redoubter.

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: Chris on October 19, 2013, 07:36:35 PM

One quick note: Lazarus cannot be negated after a new battle has begun. This is because whenever a new battle starts in a turn (be it from Lazarus, Grapes of Wrath, or anything else), it begins a new battle phase. Because abilities can only be negated in the phase they occur in, Lazarus cannot be negated if a new battle begins.

Title: Re: Lazarus
Post by: SignoftheStar on October 21, 2013, 12:19:21 AM

Unless, of course, he's being negated by something else.

Nice clarification, Chris. Thank you.