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Offline lp670sv

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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #50 on: February 16, 2012, 01:40:32 PM »
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"Territory is an area within the Field of Play. The player’s territory includes his Lost Souls, Evil Characters, Heroes, artifacts, fortresses and sites. See Player’s Card Arrangement."

Nope, still no "in play" or "face up" in this definition either.


Really?

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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #51 on: February 16, 2012, 01:40:57 PM »
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This is from the new rulings for this season:

Quote from: Gabe
Consistency Given to Not In Battle
Not in battle is defined as cards face up on the table that are not in battle (this includes territory, set-aside area and Land of Redemption).  It does not include hand, draw pile, discard pile, and cards face down in play. This changes the previous ruling that Lampstand of the Sanctuary stops Mayhem.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #52 on: February 16, 2012, 01:41:25 PM »
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Quote from: browarod on February 16, 2012, 01:37:53 PM
Ambush specifically says a face-down card returns to territory. Are you saying that it returns to the territory yet somehow is not in the territory?

I'm saying that Ambush is a card from Patriarchs, and everything that implies about the wording. Game rule dictates that face down cards are not in play, and territories are in play. You have to redefine one of those for what you're suggesting to work. Regardless of how it should be in your mind, the way it is now, there's no way that face-down cards are in a territory.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #53 on: February 16, 2012, 01:44:30 PM »
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That part of Ambush is clarifying text, explaining how set-asides work.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #54 on: February 16, 2012, 01:52:01 PM »
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If it doesn't return to territory, then where exactly is it? Nobody has answered this. Kittens actually posted something legitimate in that Gabe updated the definition to specify face-up, but that still doesn't answer my question. Also, there's nothing in that quote that says face-down cards are not in territory, just that Lampstand doesn't protect them. "Field of Play" is a location, "in play" is a state. I would argue that they aren't entirely synonymous.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #55 on: February 16, 2012, 01:53:56 PM »
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Yup, face down arts are in territory.

Quote from: REG:ArtifactPile
Artifact Pile

An artifact pile contains a player’s grail icon cards. This pile is located in the player’s territory within the Field of Play. See Player’s Card Arrangement .
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #56 on: February 16, 2012, 01:57:03 PM »
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Were you trying to suddenly turn around and agree with me? Because you did, so now I'm confused haha.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #57 on: February 16, 2012, 01:58:55 PM »
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Nope, just quoting the REG.  I'm still wondering why you're trying to argue that Lampy protects a card that can't be targeted by evil doms anyway.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #58 on: February 16, 2012, 02:05:54 PM »
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I'm not arguing that anymore, since your Gabe quote proved me wrong, I'm just trying to show that face-down cards ARE actually in territory though not "in play."
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #59 on: February 16, 2012, 02:52:05 PM »
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So the REG, in essence, proved both of us wrong? That pesky REG, always doing things like this. I hope you know, browarod, that I don't have any ill will towards you just because we disagreed here; we usually fall on the same side of these debates, and I have a lot of respect for you as a player and a judge.
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #60 on: February 16, 2012, 02:57:53 PM »
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Well thanks! *blush*

I rarely take anything on the internet personally anymore (given that I've had bad experiences with doing such in the past), so no offense was taken. People disagree, it happens. The important thing is remaining civil (which everyone here did) and keeping it in this thread.

Yeah, that pesky REG foiled us again!!! :P
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Re: Lampstand protect LoR?
« Reply #61 on: February 16, 2012, 03:53:48 PM »
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Darn that rulebook.  I've had more than one scheme to break the game foiled by ...the rules...
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