Author Topic: Exchange and Add to Battle vs. "Banding" (Read 2330 times)

browarod · « **on:** July 18, 2010, 01:06:32 PM »

Are Numerous as the Stars and Evil Spawn considered banding cards for the purposes of Household Idols, Wool Fleece, and other cards that target "banding cards"?

Numerous as the Stars
Special Ability: If used by a Genesis Hero, exchange this card with a human Hero in deck. Cannot be negated.

Evil Spawn (Priests)
Special Ability: Reveal the bottom card of draw pile. If it is an evil card, take it into hand or add it to the battle.

Wool Fleece
Special Ability: No Evil Characters may band • Play As: Evil Characters are prevented from banding.

Household Idols
Special Ability: Heroes may not band. Good banding cards have no effect. • Play As: Banding of Heroes is prevented. Good banding cards are ignored.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #1 on:** July 18, 2010, 01:37:33 PM »

Numerous as the Stars I know is not considered a banding ability, but rather an exchange ability. As for Evil Spawn, I'm not exactly sure. I believe that he can still do the reveal, but that if an evil character is revealed, then he must add it to hand.

jtay · « **Reply #2 on:** July 18, 2010, 01:50:22 PM »

I've been unsure about this as well. I was playing a game with someone once, and I made a rescue attempt with Wool Fleece active; I successfully removed my opponent's evil character from battle, but then he converted Madness to an evil character and "added it to the battle." At the time I was unsure of whether this was legal, though my opponent seemed fairly certain that it was.

Madness
Type: Curse • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If opponent’s Hero is in battle, you may convert this card to an orange brigade Evil Character and add it to battle. Cannot be interrupted.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #3 on:** July 18, 2010, 02:06:43 PM »

Quote from: jtay on July 18, 2010, 01:50:22 PM

I've been unsure about this as well. I was playing a game with someone once, and I made a rescue attempt with Wool Fleece active; I successfully removed my opponent's evil character from battle, but then he converted Madness to an evil character and "added it to the battle." At the time I was unsure of whether this was legal, though my opponent seemed fairly certain that it was.

Madness
Type: Curse • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 1 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If opponent’s Hero is in battle, you may convert this card to an orange brigade Evil Character and add it to battle. Cannot be interrupted.

I believe that that is a banding ability...

Master KChief · « **Reply #4 on:** July 18, 2010, 02:14:56 PM »

if there is no ec in battle, then it is not a banding ability. if there is, then it is a banding ability.

browarod · « **Reply #5 on:** July 18, 2010, 02:30:57 PM »

Quote from: Master KChief on July 18, 2010, 02:14:56 PM

if there is no ec in battle, then it is not a banding ability. if there is, then it is a banding ability.

So what does that mean for my examples where there have to be characters in battle already (one because the enhancement wouldn't work without a character and 2 because the effect is on the character itself)?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #6 on:** July 18, 2010, 02:50:55 PM »

Numerous as the Stars is not banding under any circumstance because it is only an exchange.

Evil Spawn says "add to battle." The "add to battle" special ability is banding only if there is another character on the same side of the battle you are adding it to. If you used Madness as an artifact when you had no character in battle, then that "add to battle" is not banding because he is alone.

BubbleBoy · « **Reply #7 on:** July 18, 2010, 06:10:54 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on July 18, 2010, 02:50:55 PM

Evil Spawn says "add to battle." The "add to battle" special ability is banding only if there is another character on the same side of the battle you are adding it to.

Which there will be since Evil Spawn is an EC. Also, the revealed card has to be an EC.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** July 18, 2010, 06:13:43 PM »

Quote from: BubbleBoy on July 18, 2010, 06:10:54 PM

Which there will be since Evil Spawn is an EC. Also, the revealed card has to be an EC.

I don't disagree. I was clarifying your answer since browarod was still uncertain.

MrMiYoda · « **Reply #9 on:** November 15, 2010, 03:03:03 PM »

I wish to revisit this thread to discuss the following card once more:
http://www.redemptionreg.com/REG/LinkedDocuments/Numerous%20as%20the%20Stars%20(FF).gif

When used with the proper hero, does this card enable an additional hero from deck that can be 'added' to the existing hero, thus effectively banding the two heroes?

Thinktank?

Thanks and Godbless.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #10 on:** November 15, 2010, 03:45:16 PM »

Yes, the enhancement is exchanged for a hero in the deck, resulting in two heroes in battle.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #11 on:** November 15, 2010, 05:47:42 PM »

No. This is an exchange, not a band or add to battle.

MrMiYoda · « **Reply #12 on:** November 15, 2010, 06:50:27 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 15, 2010, 05:47:42 PM

No. This is an exchange, not a band or add to battle.

Thus, a current hero in battle gets kicked back to territory, right? and replaced by the hero taken from deck via Numerous as the Stars' ability? Is there a an exegesis reference on this particular condition that kicks back a current hero in battle?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #13 on:** November 15, 2010, 06:54:17 PM »

Quote from: ReyZen on November 15, 2010, 06:50:27 PM

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 15, 2010, 05:47:42 PM
No. This is an exchange, not a band or add to battle.

Thus, a current hero in battle gets kicked back to territory, right? and replaced by the hero taken from deck via Numerous as the Stars' ability? Is there a an exegesis reference on this particular condition that kicks back a current hero in battle?

No. The other hero stays. This is just not considered a "banding" ability.

MrMiYoda · « **Reply #14 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:33:59 PM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 15, 2010, 06:54:17 PM

Quote from: ReyZen on November 15, 2010, 06:50:27 PM
Quote from: YourMathTeacher on November 15, 2010, 05:47:42 PM
No. This is an exchange, not a band or add to battle.

Thus, a current hero in battle gets kicked back to territory, right? and replaced by the hero taken from deck via Numerous as the Stars' ability? Is there a an exegesis reference on this particular condition that kicks back a current hero in battle?

No. The other hero stays. This is just not considered a "banding" ability.

So two non-banded heroes in battle both making a battle challenge? or side by side? Do their abilities get added up just like they were banded?

Korunks · « **Reply #15 on:** November 15, 2010, 07:49:40 PM »

Its treated just like a band, its just not a band.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #16 on:** November 15, 2010, 08:23:03 PM »

Exactly, you play an enhancement that replaces itself with a hero in your deck.

You didn't band him in, you swapped a card that was in battle. It behaves like a band in every way except there was never a "band."

Not quite sure what situation this would matter in however...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #17 on:** November 15, 2010, 08:53:05 PM »

I would think the main purpose is to get around Household Idols or 12FG.

MrMiYoda · « **Reply #18 on:** November 15, 2010, 09:22:30 PM »

Final clarification: Do their abilities total like a banded total?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #19 on:** November 15, 2010, 09:29:11 PM »

Quote from: ReyZen on November 15, 2010, 09:22:30 PM

Final clarification: Do their abilities total like a banded total?

Yes.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #20 on:** November 15, 2010, 09:29:26 PM »

Banding is simply a type of ability that allows another character to enter battle. Banding is not a state. There is no difference between the state of Jacob and an Angel in battle and the state of Jacob and a Hero he switched Numerous for in battle.

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Author Topic: Exchange and Add to Battle vs. "Banding" (Read 2330 times)

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