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When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« on: May 25, 2009, 03:24:40 AM »
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Here's another situation. I have a 4/4 hero in territory. It is my opponents turn. He has a chemoshed EC set aside and the turn before Plagued with diseases still up. Are all my heroes still decreased? Because with other artifacts it says when active, meaning you can keep it active but every turn during upkeep I think when artifacts are activated the ability goes off. You can not have a Holy Grail up, not use it, then use it whenever after the artifact phase. So why is this different? Also if he chemoshes my 4/4 man, which is now 4/2 does the activated Plagued with Diseases kill him? Now if it does and the ability is on going, like HoH and stuff, (which I think it is) then can he chemosh me to 4/2 I die becuase of the 0/2 decrease from the artifact, then can my opponent activate a new artifact? If he does do I get my 4/2 dude back? Or did he die, the artifact get negated, I come back reset 4/4?

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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #1 on: May 25, 2009, 03:45:15 AM »
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You can not have a Holy Grail up, not use it, then use it whenever after the artifact phase.

You can use Holy Grail any time during your turn, you just can't use it on an EC in battle.

Plagued with Diseases:
Decrease all opponents’ Heroes by 0/2 (or 0/3 if you have the fewest Redeemed Souls).

I think this is ongoing, and not something you do every turn (one decrease on each hero, only in effect while it's active).
« Last Edit: May 25, 2009, 03:51:53 AM by RedemptionAggie »

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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #2 on: May 25, 2009, 04:41:20 PM »
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When does the decrease from plague with diseases target? Is it during each phase? Is it stll targeting during my upkeep phase before my prep phase?
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #3 on: May 25, 2009, 07:52:44 PM »
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When does the decrease from plague with diseases target? Is it during each phase? Is it stll targeting during my upkeep phase before my prep phase?

It starts when it's activated and it ends when it's deactivated.

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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #4 on: May 25, 2009, 08:31:47 PM »
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so in the above example:
can i chemosh a 4/4 with PwD active discarding the hero during my prep phase the activate another artifact during prep?
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #5 on: May 25, 2009, 08:35:12 PM »
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No.  Even if the artifact has run its course, it must remain active and/or no new artifacts may be activated in its place unless a card specifically says otherwise.
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2009, 11:54:28 PM »
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im srry- i meant to say during my upkeep kill a hero with 4 defence due to PwD and a chemosh counter then activate a new art during prep
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #7 on: May 26, 2009, 12:56:25 AM »
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You can't take that action during the upkeep phase.
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #8 on: May 26, 2009, 01:13:42 AM »
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it seems as stated by rob quoting from the REG:
that all ongoing abilities continue until the end of the phase that they are discarded,removed, (and in this case deactivated) as long as it isn't negated.
if this is the case then Mr. Hiatus's 4/4 hero is still decreased by my PwD during my upkeep phase when i decide to put a 0/-2 chemosh counter on that hero. Moving on now to my prep phase i have not activated an artifact yet this turn i should now be allowed to do so if my understanding is correct...yes?
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #9 on: May 26, 2009, 09:23:55 AM »
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What you can do: Activate PwD and Set aside an EC with Chemosh, next turn you can use Chemosh's ability to decrease the hero again, thus discarding the hero. During the prep phase on that turn you may activate a different artifact.


What you can't do: There's way to scenarios you can't do with this to list them, but obviously none of them will get the result you're wanting.

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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #10 on: May 26, 2009, 10:55:00 AM »
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what you can do:
thats what ive been saying this whole time...ugh
did it just come out wrong or what- i tried to state it clearly as possible...
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Re: When do artifacts "become" artifacts
« Reply #11 on: May 26, 2009, 10:15:49 PM »
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You can use Holy Grail any time during your turn, you just can't use it on an EC in battle.
I know.

 


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