Author Topic: John the Baptist & OT Temples/Tabernacles (Read 2500 times)

Mr. Tumnus · « **on:** April 10, 2012, 06:51:03 PM »

Since Johnny B negates OT Fortresses, what becomes of an artifact activated on such Temple/Tabernacle once John enters battle? More specifically, would say a Lampstand of the Sanctuary be interrupted or discarded or deactivated or something else?

Praeceps · « **Reply #1 on:** April 10, 2012, 07:14:21 PM »

Solomon's temple is the only temple that would lose it's artifact, the others have the hold listed in their identifier. Now whether a deactivated artifact is also negated or not, I don't know.

megamanlan · « **Reply #2 on:** April 10, 2012, 07:33:47 PM »

Actually, it was ruled in my tournament that Solomon's Temp doesn't either, the holding of an Artifact is an Identifier, how the artifact can activate is the effect.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #3 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:41:58 AM »

That's not correct. Solomon's temple has no errata, and it's a SA, not an identifier that allows a Temple Artifact to be activated on it. Negating it won't do anything to an Artifact already on it unless it were negated in the same phase the Artifact were put in it (I believe that's impossible in Redemption). However, if its SA is Negated, it won't be able to activate an Artifact. There is literally less than zero reason to use Solomon's Temple, as any one of the other 3 does what it does but more/better.

Redoubter · « **Reply #4 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:02:56 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 11, 2012, 12:41:58 AM

There is literally less than zero reason to use Solomon's Temple

Glory of the Lord.

waits for the downvotes

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #5 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:04:28 AM »

Sorry, that works on Tabernacle too.

Redoubter · « **Reply #6 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:05:40 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 11, 2012, 01:04:28 AM

Sorry, that works on Tabernacle too.

Glory of the Lord (Ki)

Type: Lamb • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place in territory. Holder's Solomon's Temple and the artifact in it cannot be discarded or negated by an opponent. Discard this card if Asherah Pole is in holder's Solomon's Temple

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:07:01 AM »

Woah, the card search is really messed up when you try to bring up Tabernacle. But Tabernacle's own SA transfers GotL's protection to it as well.

Minion of Jesus · « **Reply #8 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:56:31 AM »

Pol. is right. Looked up Tabernacle. Says,"Glory of the Lord protects this card and it's contents. If you have Solomon's Temple in play, discard this card (regardless of protection) and transfer contents to Solomon's Temple." GotL doesn't say you PUT it on Solomon's Temple, it just says it goes in play.

Praeceps · « **Reply #9 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:10:27 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on April 11, 2012, 01:04:28 AM

Sorry, that works on Tabernacle too.

And the best part is tabernacle isn't a temple so it can't get hit by that pesky Desecrate the Temple card...

Redoubter · « **Reply #10 on:** April 11, 2012, 10:56:52 AM »

Yeah, yeah, it works on Tabernacle too, I was just trying to find something

Quote from: Praeceps on April 11, 2012, 08:10:27 AM

And the best part is tabernacle isn't a temple so it can't get hit by that pesky Desecrate the Temple card...

See, that's a bad thing. If there's nothing to snipe with Desecrate, then they get to snipe it from your deck...including a dominant.

Praeceps · « **Reply #11 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:38:39 PM »

Quote from: Redoubter on April 11, 2012, 10:56:52 AM

Yeah, yeah, it works on Tabernacle too, I was just trying to find something

Quote from: Praeceps on April 11, 2012, 08:10:27 AM
And the best part is tabernacle isn't a temple so it can't get hit by that pesky Desecrate the Temple card...

See, that's a bad thing. If there's nothing to snipe with Desecrate, then they get to snipe it from your deck...including a dominant.

No, they'd just hit the artifact in my tabernacle. That way they only get one, not both.

Soundman2 · « **Reply #12 on:** April 11, 2012, 12:45:12 PM »

Quote from: Praeceps on April 11, 2012, 12:38:39 PM

Quote from: Redoubter on April 11, 2012, 10:56:52 AM
Yeah, yeah, it works on Tabernacle too, I was just trying to find something

Quote from: Praeceps on April 11, 2012, 08:10:27 AM
And the best part is tabernacle isn't a temple so it can't get hit by that pesky Desecrate the Temple card...

See, that's a bad thing. If there's nothing to snipe with Desecrate, then they get to snipe it from your deck...including a dominant.

No, they'd just hit the artifact in my tabernacle. That way they only get one, not both.

Not with GoTL it protects the artifact.

Redoubter · « **Reply #13 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:20:44 PM »

Quote from: Soundman2 on April 11, 2012, 12:45:12 PM

Not with GoTL it protects the artifact.

Right, the artifact and the Tabernacle are both protected. However, if no artifact is active, Desecrate can discard something in your deck, since Tabernacle is not a temple. That's the point I was trying to make, sorry.

On the other hand, if an artifact is active (even protected), they can't search your deck because that requires there to be "none", per the card.

megamanlan · « **Reply #14 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:32:17 PM »

Holding an Artifact is an Identifier,if the Artifact can activate is the SA. I know because I played it in a fairly recent tournament and that was the decision. They basically said that it's the same like w/ 2/3-liner. That an Identifer is was put as an SA.

Korunks · « **Reply #15 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:39:03 PM »

Then they ruled wrong according to the current rules.

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #16 on:** April 11, 2012, 01:40:27 PM »

Quote from: Korunks on April 11, 2012, 01:39:03 PM

Then they ruled wrong according to the current rules.

This.

While I believe that Solomon's Temple should work the same way HT and the Tabernacle do, under the current rules, that's not the case.

megamanlan · « **Reply #17 on:** April 11, 2012, 07:04:16 PM »

Why don't the Elders just Errata it to be correct then?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #18 on:** April 11, 2012, 08:52:26 PM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 11, 2012, 07:04:16 PM

Why don't the Elders just Errata it to be correct then?

The best answer is probably that the Elders are too busy right now, which is understandable. Solomon's Temple is a barely-used card to begin with, and the vast, vast majority of the time, the Tabernacle (or in many cases, Herod's Temple) can be used instead, so it's not high on the priority list. Beyond that, I don't know.

megamanlan · « **Reply #19 on:** April 12, 2012, 12:01:11 AM »

What does it take for the Elders to make an Errata?

Chronic Apathy · « **Reply #20 on:** April 12, 2012, 12:04:19 AM »

Quote from: megamanlan on April 12, 2012, 12:01:11 AM

What does it take for the Elders to make an Errata?

A general consensus among them. I don't know the exact logistics of it though.

megamanlan · « **Reply #21 on:** April 12, 2012, 03:56:55 AM »

Ah, I see why it takes time to get an errata.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #22 on:** April 12, 2012, 02:41:16 PM »

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 12, 2012, 12:04:19 AM

Quote from: megamanlan on April 12, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
What does it take for the Elders to make an Errata?

A general consensus among them. I don't know the exact logistics of it though.

Erratas are ONLY given by Rob. Other Elders can debate the pros and cons of various erratas, but an errata is never official unless Rob says it is.

Solomon's Temple (Pa) is not high on the priority list of things for Elders to worry about, so it probably won't be getting errata anytime soon. It does work, it's just has a major drawback compared to some of the other Temples.

Praeceps · « **Reply #23 on:** April 12, 2012, 02:44:34 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on April 12, 2012, 02:41:16 PM

Quote from: Chronic Apathy on April 12, 2012, 12:04:19 AM
Quote from: megamanlan on April 12, 2012, 12:01:11 AM
What does it take for the Elders to make an Errata?

A general consensus among them. I don't know the exact logistics of it though.

Erratas are ONLY given by Rob. Other Elders can debate the pros and cons of various erratas, but an errata is never official unless Rob says it is.

Solomon's Temple (Pa) is not high on the priority list of things for Elders to worry about, so it probably won't be getting errata anytime soon. It does work, it's just has a major drawback compared to some of the other Temples.

In other words, It's not broke, just outdated.

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Author Topic: John the Baptist & OT Temples/Tabernacles (Read 2500 times)

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