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If that's how you're going to treat this conversation, then I guess the ruling is that John has absolutely no ability whatsoever.

"A deck is always reshuffled after it has been searched unless a card states otherwise (see Beginning a Game in the rulebook [p. 5])."

Shuffle is not reveal.

I see nothing in there that says a "revealed" deck isnt shuffled. Therefore, you ARE breaking the rules if you do not shuffle the deck after looking through it.

Come on, now you're just making stuff up.  Unless you want to argue that you can shuffle at any time, this is a non-argument.

Let me know when you guys intend to take this conversation seriously.

Unless you want to argue that you can shuffle at any time, this is a non-argument.

Hey, here's my new ruling.  The rules don't say that I DON'T shuffle when I draw a card, therefore I MUST shuffle every time I draw a card.
The REG doesn't say I DON'T shuffle whenever I begin a rescue attempt, therefore I MUST shuffle whenever I begin a rescue attempt.

I meant "Look at" as a type of ability (and an official definition).  And to show that reveal was grouped with search.

Im not just trying to come up with stuff. The REG says anytime a deck is searched, it is shuffled. Reveal is grouped with search. Nothing in the REG says you don't shuffle after a reveal. The fact that it is grouped with Search and the lack of information on how Reveals work would imply Reveal works the same way as Search.

I'm just saying that according to the REG, it would appear that you shuffle after you look at the entirety of the deck in any way shape or form. Nothing is said about shuffling after drawing, so that point is moot. lol.

*EDIT* I respect yours and Bryons statements, I'm saying that its not clear unless someone specificly asks one of you two, and that this should be clarified.

Reveal is grouped with search.

Reveal is NOT a search.  The REG has SPECIFIC RULES that say, when you search, you do this, this and this.  When you reveal, you do this, this and this.

The fact that it is grouped with Search and the lack of information on how Reveals work would imply Reveal works the same way as Search.

By this logic, do you also assume Discard and Remove are the same thing?  That any card that returns a captured Hero is a healing card?  Why is this the only section where you assume that you apply all of the rules to one ability to another, similar but not identical ability?

I'm just saying that according to the REG, it would appear that you shuffle after you look at the entirety of the deck in any way shape or form.

No, because the REG says you do it AFTER A SEARCH.  It specifically says SEARCH.  It has rules that say search, and it has rules that say reveal.  If those rules applied to everything, there would be NO REASON to say "search" or "reveal", and yet they each have their own rules in that section.  So how does this make sense?

Nothing is said about shuffling after drawing, so that point is moot.

Nothing is said about shuffling after a reveal.  There you go.  Besides, you were arguing that you're supposed to shuffled because the rulebook DOES NOT say that you DO NOT shuffle.  So apply your logic to every single section that does not say anything about not shuffling.

*EDIT* I respect yours and Bryons statements, I'm saying that its not clear unless someone specificly asks one of you two, and that this should be clarified.

Someone asked and we answered.  The subject is still being questioned.
The matter was clarified.  The subject is still being questioned.
Bryon specifically said the REG entries on these would be revised in the next update.  The subject is still being questioned.
I am running out of things I can think of that would satisfy you to the point where we are not still going back to this over and over again.

That is not a definition.  That is a list of strategic uses for the ability.

So what's the difference between a "look at" and a "search" (besides not shuffling)?  Selecting (or wanting to select) a card?

Does Hezekiah's Signet Ring stop a "look at"?

Yes, looking for something is what constitutes a search.

You search FOR something.  Then, since you were not really supposed to know the order, you must shuffle.

When you look at something, you gain the knowledge of where something is.  You don't shuffle.

No one has ever looked at my hand and then shuffled it before giving it back to me.

I can't wait to do this at the next tournament.   

It says Search.  I think that answers the whole question.

Then I hope you take the responsibility upon yourself to shuffle your hand after having it returned to you.  I certainly do.

You are free to waste time in whatever way you see fit.  It's not required by the rules.

I believe Hezekiah's Signet Ring would stop "look at" abilities.

Look at is not a search, precisely because it does not have a target.  You can't acknowledge differences between the two abilities and then turn around and say in the same breath that they are the same ability.

Look at is not a search, precisely because it does not have a target.  You can't acknowledge differences between the two abilities and then turn around and say in the same breath that they are the same ability.

Why can't "Look at" be sort of a sub-option of "Search," Like CBP is to CBN or something? I mean, CBP is clearly different from CBN....