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1.  I make a RA with Job with dust and ashes in my territory and I am justice active, Job gets discarded by the evil character, do I get to discartd the evil character after the turn? 


I am Justice
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 5 / 2 • Class: None • Special Ability: If an Evil Character discards your Hero this battle, you may discard that Evil Character at the end of the turn. Limit two discards per game. •

Dust and Ashes (Di)
Type: Fortress • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: When you play this card, search discard pile for Job. If your Job is harmed or defeated by an opponent, you may place him here instead. Each upkeep, return contents to hand. Cannot be negated.

Since DaA is already in your territory, no. DaA whisks Job away before he is discarded, so IaJ wouldn't work.

If, however, you played DaA after Job was defeated, you could discard that EC with IaJ and then get Job back via DaA.

Actually I would rule you cannot discard Job, period.  Kinda like enoch.  look at Jobs ability:

Job (Pi)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

We have 3 elders confirming and no dissension here.  Job does not work with I am Justice.

Wait, I have a question then.

I just realized, if Job and Enoch can be protected from discard by numbers.... then why have I been told that Protection of Angels and Birth Foretold do not protect from discard by numbers?

Because Enoch and Job are protected from Discard, Including game rule that comes from losing by the numbers.  Protection of angels protects from evil cards, not game rules.  Emphasis mine on the following:

Protection of Angels (Pi)

Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 2 / 3 • Class: None • Special Ability: Interrupt the battle and protect all Heroes in play and set aside areas from evil cards until end of turn. • Play As: Interrupt the battle and protect all Heroes in play and set aside areas from evil special abilities until end of turn. • Identifiers: OT, Involves Music • Verse: Psalms 91:11 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Common)

Enoch (Pa)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 7 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Enoch may be removed from the game, but is prevented from being discarded. • Errata: Protect Enoch from discard. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Prophet • Verse: Genesis 5:23-24 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Rare)

Job (Pi)

Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

At least that was the outcome of a large post long ago.  Let me find it.

Hrmm the more I dig into this the less sure I am of my conclusion.  We never really got this resolved.  Time to Necro.   

bump

can job be discarded by numbers?

What are you, like 0-3? Job is protected from Discard. This includes by the numbers.

I think the question is:

A.) Job is protected from discard.  Job is also protected from capture abilities
OR
B.) Job is protected from discard abilities.  Job is also protected from capture abilities

Given:

Yes, he can but Job could be saved by D&A because that meets the definition of defeated.

I'd say it's B, that Job is only protected from discard abilities (CM, Coliseum Lions, etc.)

This doesn't make much sense. If protect has been ruled to only extend to abilities (See Crown of Thorns+Thaddeus thread) then Job can be killed btn.

This doesn't make much sense. If protect has been ruled to only extend to abilities (See Crown of Thorns+Thaddeus thread) then Job can be killed btn.

I agree that this is inconsistent, which was why I asked my question in the other thread.

Both myself and the "other Prof" agree that the answer is A based on the wording of another card from the same set.  The ruling was made here.

That ruling may need to be revisited under the current circumstances. I would argue that Abiathar's SA's use of the word "abilities" was superfluous. We need to decide once and for all whether or not the "protect" special ability only affects special abilities.

The discard is a modifier to the protect. He isn't "protected" he is "protected from discard" which modifies the protection to mean protected from any kind of discard.

I understand what you are saying. I simply disagree. 

I think that "Protect" should have a single REG entry that defines it as "Protect from Special Abilities." I just feel that it would be easier to rule for a host.

However, if I am wrong, then that is fine. I just want complete clarity so that I am a well-prepared judge for the 2012 Nationals here in Orlando. 

Knoxville or Orlando -either way im there

Frankly, TN is better established than Orlando. Walt Disney just taught me to "make my dreams come true." I do have Pixie Dust on my side. 

BTW, did I mention that I can get people into Disney for free?