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Polarius is correct.

Lambo, ProfA, you are confusing the targeting in your example with DNA's targeting.  They are not the same.

Set this fortress aside. If holder's angel is being discarded, place it here instead. After two turns, return Hero to the top of your draw pile.

When you play this card, search discard pile for Job. If your Job is harmed or defeated by an opponent, you may place him here instead. Each upkeep, return contents to hand. Cannot be negated.


If Holders angel...
If your Job...


Holder and Your are exchangeable in this situation, I see zero difference between Chamber and D&A. What exactly is not the same?

*instaposted*

So what exactly is your stand on Chamber of Angels and DD? You seem to contradict yourself:

Being Discarded, Discarded, was Discarded all mean the same thing, so Chamber is able to target cards in the Discard Pile. DNA has no loophole wording to allow it to target cards not in play.

Nope. Job isn't in play when he's in DNA, so DNA doesn't target him. DD is also a good way to kill Angels if they rely on Chamber and no CoF.

So... wouldn't "If your Job is harmed" also translate to "Being harmed", " Harmed", and "Was Harmed"?

If so, D&A should be triggered by a discard just as CoA is triggered by a discard.

.... why?

Please explain why "Is being discarded" gets magical loopholes, while "Is Harmed" does not.

Discard is typically included in harm.

Inconsistent. Plz fix.

By the way, you dun goofed.

Being Discarded, Discarded, was Discarded all mean the same thing, so Chamber is able to target cards in the Discard Pile. DNA has no loophole wording to allow it to target cards not in play.

There is no distinction between “instantly discarded”, “being discarded”, and “about to be discarded.”

"Was Discarded" is not there, and is quite different from all of the others listed.

I think when a card says "your X" it refers to any X no matter where it is.

I'm not sure either way on this one.  I'll bring it up on the other side.

It's just a special rule about the various verbiage of "discard." There is no such special rule for "harm."

There is no distinction between “instantly discarded”, “being discarded”, and “about to be discarded.”

How about we codify all these "special rules" in one place so us mere tournament host's actually have a chance to know what we are talking about?  Maybe we could call it the Redemption Exegetical Guide or something 

Oh look we did...

Quote from: Professoralstad on November 09, 2010, 11:27:22 AM

I think when a card says "your X" it refers to any X no matter where it is.

I'm not sure either way on this one.  I'll bring it up on the other side.

Mission accomplished.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on November 09, 2010, 01:30:02 PM

It's just a special rule about the various verbiage of "discard." There is no such special rule for "harm."

Quote from: The REG

There is no distinction between “instantly discarded”, “being discarded”, and “about to be discarded.”

Quote from: Korunks on November 09, 2010, 03:03:28 PM

How about we codify all these "special rules" in one place so us mere tournament host's actually have a chance to know what we are talking about?  Maybe we could call it the Redemption Exegetical Guide or something 

Oh look we did...

Good, now how about one with "special rules" from at least the last set? 

While you are at it here is another one to toss over to that side of the fence. 

I saw that thread, but I don't really get what you guys are even talking about.  Therefore, I'll let someone else bring that one up over there

Seems pretty cut and dried to me. DNA does not specify "in play or set-aside" so a DD on Job in DNA will Discard Job (or Persian Presidents will successfully capture, etc). Unless there is a rule that any reference to "your X" means "your X in any location," in which case the can of worms is open and I look forward to the next few weeks of breaking stuff B)