Author Topic: Job (Read 3609 times)

Minister Polarius · « **on:** October 13, 2010, 06:09:02 PM »

Is Job protected from Discard (and Capture Abilities), or (Discard and Capture) abilities?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #1 on:** October 13, 2010, 06:15:59 PM »

I was wondering that myself while looking at the card recently. He did come out with Priests, which is exactly when Abiathar came out:

Abiathar (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 5 / 4 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect this Hero from discard abilities and remove from game abilities. Cannot be interrupted. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Tabernacle High Priest (House of Ithamar) • Verse: I Samuel 22:20-23 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)

So I'd almost have to rule that, in the rare case that Job would be discarded by the numbers, he would return to territory, much like Enoch or Simeon. Intriguing.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #2 on:** October 14, 2010, 01:05:45 AM »

I would rule it to be protection from abilities, not numbers.

Warrior_Monk · « **Reply #3 on:** October 14, 2010, 01:09:44 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on October 14, 2010, 01:05:45 AM

I would rule it to be protection from abilities, not numbers.

Why? If it doesn't say abilities, it's more broad of a protect. It's like cards vs abilities, except this includes gamerule.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #4 on:** October 14, 2010, 09:16:05 AM »

Quote from: Ring Wraith on October 14, 2010, 01:09:44 AM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on October 14, 2010, 01:05:45 AM
I would rule it to be protection from abilities, not numbers.
Why? If it doesn't say abilities, it's more broad of a protect. It's like cards vs abilities, except this includes gamerule.

I agree. If he is protected from Discard and (capture abilities), then he is protected from all discard, and capture abilities. If he is protected from discard abilities and capture abilities, then CM and the like won't affect him, but he can be discard in a FBTN.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #5 on:** October 14, 2010, 10:32:39 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 13, 2010, 06:15:59 PM

He did come out with Priests, which is exactly when Abiathar came out:

Abiathar (Pi)
...Special Ability: Protect this Hero from discard abilities and remove from game abilities. Cannot be interrupted...

So I'd almost have to rule that, in the rare case that Job would be discarded by the numbers, he would return to territory, much like Enoch or Simeon.

I agree with the "Other Prof". If these cards came out in the same set, and one put the word "abilities" twice, and the other didn't, then I have to assume that they were meant to be different. Therefore, I would also rule that the correct interpretation would be that Job is protected from discard and (capture abilities).

Professoralstad · « **Reply #6 on:** October 14, 2010, 10:47:04 AM »

Just keep in mind that neither of the Profs were elders when Priests came out, so one of the veteran playtesters may overrule us. Something tells me Justin might come on and rule otherwise just out of spite; he hates Job.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #7 on:** October 14, 2010, 11:12:31 AM »

Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Enoch (Pa)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 7 / 8 • Class: None • Special Ability: Enoch may be removed from the game, but is prevented from being discarded. • Errata: Protect Enoch from discard. • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Prophet • Verse: Genesis 5:23-24 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Rare)

Hmm, I'm not sure about this one. I can see both points... that Ithmar says abilities twice, but Job does not.

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #8 on:** October 14, 2010, 01:37:52 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 14, 2010, 10:47:04 AM

Just keep in mind that neither of the Profs were elders when Priests came out

Very true. We were just young whipper-snappers back then

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #9 on:** October 14, 2010, 11:01:36 PM »

i'd think his special ability would protect him from all discard like enoch

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #10 on:** October 14, 2010, 11:24:17 PM »

ok- you guys got me.

everyone on the thread.

Bryon · « **Reply #11 on:** October 15, 2010, 12:57:28 AM »

If Job were written today, he'd say either:

Protect Job from capture and discard abilities.

or

Protect Job from capture abilities and discard.

I honestly don't remember the intent, but the second interpretation is fine with me.

The Guardian · « **Reply #12 on:** October 15, 2010, 03:40:29 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 14, 2010, 10:47:04 AM

Just keep in mind that neither of the Profs were elders when Priests came out, so one of the veteran playtesters may overrule us. Something tells me Justin might come on and rule otherwise just out of spite; he hates Job.

It's not so much Job that irks me as Dust and Ashes...

Going with this interpretation doesn't really matter since anyone using Job is using D&A anyway so the outcome is virtually the same...

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** October 15, 2010, 03:46:18 AM »

Job gets blocked by Leviathan. Lives. Biblical accuracy ftw! <--not sarcasm

The Guardian · « **Reply #14 on:** October 15, 2010, 04:44:39 AM »

Shouldn't the Leviathan defeat Job tho since God pointed to it as something far more powerful than man?

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #15 on:** October 15, 2010, 09:44:42 AM »

i heard recently that the term leviathan is often used to refer to Satan.... i wasn't aware of it. Has anyone else heard that?

Master_Chi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 15, 2010, 09:48:04 AM »

Quote from: Cpt.Jaeger on October 15, 2010, 09:44:42 AM

i heard recently that the tern leviathan is often used to refer to Satan.... i wasn't aware of it. Has anyone else heard that?

Nope. That's interesting though, considering Leviathan/Satan is quite possibly the most fearsome foe to man (except God, of course, but I'm not his enemy).

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #17 on:** October 15, 2010, 02:19:56 PM »

The Leviathan is not Satan. The Leviathan is sometimes a metaphor for Satan.

Cpt.Jaeger · « **Reply #18 on:** October 15, 2010, 03:27:03 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 15, 2010, 02:19:56 PM

The Leviathan is not Satan. The Leviathan is sometimes a metaphor for Satan.

ok, thanks. just curious

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