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1)  Scenario came up last night, where I banded Jacob with Captain of the Host (negates all special abilities and enahcements except banding).  COTH was Martyred.  The battle is still FBTN except for banding, even though the hero that caused that is no longer in the battle, right?

2)  I was surprised to read on these forums that for heroes like Michael and Thomas (Enhancements used by these heroes cannot be negated), that the ability itself also cannot be negated?  So if Michael is blocked by KOT (all abilities on characters and enhancement cards are negated, fight by numbers), Michael can still play his enahcements and they cannot be negated?  This doesn't make much sense to me, since there are specific heros that say that their abilities cannot be negated (i.e. Seeker of the Lost), but I will accept it if that is the ruling.  But my next question would be - What other heros can take advantage of this in a FBTN battle?  The first one that comes to my mind is Benjamin (if all your heroes are Genesis heroes then enahcements used by Benjamin cannot be negated).  Is his special ability not negated in a FBTN battle either (assuming all your heroes are Genesis heroes)?  Are there other heroes with similar abilities that are not negated in FBTN encounters?

Thanks again for all your help as we struggle to get all of this right.

  with schaef.  Learn the 10 commandments of Redemption.  Cannot be negated means cannot be Negated...Period.

Other heroes that CBN inclued Paul (as Paul coverted from Saul) and Joshua the High Priest.  Ahimaz the priest has the SA that special abilities cannot be interrupted (but they can be prevented) so they would be prevented in a FBTN situation.

There are some EC's that have CBN status such as Nergalshazar and Naaman.

Thanks for all the clarification.

But I just have to mention this.  Isn't this all a little contradictory though?  All this time we have played that negate means "interrupt and prevent at the same time", so I would think that an EC like KOT or Sapphira, that specify that they negate special abilities on characters and enhancements, mean exactly what they say.  There is nothing on Thomas and Michael that say "this special ability cannot be negated" (unlike Seeker of the Lost that DOES say this), so why is it that in these specific cases the hero's special ability, which would otherwise be negated, ISN'T?  I just hate having to teach newer players that Fight by Numbers means you ignore/undo the effect of the hero's special ability, UNLESS it is these 3 or 4 heroes, whose special ability by the way does not say "this special ability cannot ne negated".  Same thing with ECs like Naaman in a battle against Moses.  I assume also that Dungeon of Malchiah is still playable on King Zedekiah, AND cannot be negated, in a FBTN battle?  I fully understand this rule if a character's ability or an enhancement specifically says that the ability of the character or the effect the enhancement cannot be negated (like AOC promo), but the special abilities of these characters that have been listed don't say that.  Was it always this way and our group has just been playing these characters wrong the whole time, or was this a more recent ruling?

Am I the only one that finds this confusing?  Thanks again for listening, as always

Some of the older cards explain the cards ability because earlier in redemption the direction the game was going to take was not known. Once cannot be negated became more clearly defined further explaination on cards was not needed.

As for the reason of cards being created with cannot be negated special abilities being created is because there was so many fbtn cards and/or other negates that have come over time. So it was probably an attempt to keep from a chain of negates being played back and forth.

Just for kicks. See commandment #3

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No.

Abel's Sacrifice says "Abel’s Sacrifice and all good enhancements played after it this turn cannot be interrupted or prevented."  So that ability works.

You might mean the new Tears for a Friend - "All players must reveal their hands. You may play the next Enhancement, which cannot be interrupted."  Since that says "interrupted" and not "prevented" or "negated", it can be (and is) stopped by the FBN card played before it: Benaiah.

Not until after the card has been played.  You can't interrupt and ability half way through.