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Yes, Jephthah is a "once per player per game" ability.

That being said, if your opponent bands to your Jephthah and uses the ability, he cannot use his own Jephthah later in the game.

The holder, whether the holder is temporary or permanent, is part of the special ability. So if you drew Jephthah from your deck, used the ability, and then the next turn your opponent temporarily controls him through a band or whatever, then your opponent (another holder) can use the ability once for his game as well.

To clarify, "holder" is old language for "you" or, in other words, the person using the special ability.

Just a question regarding multiple Jephthah's being played.

Are you limited to once per game per Jephthah card or is it all Jephthah's period. Also the PA and J Jephthah have different abilities since their potential targets differ, does that make them separate once per game abilities?

Sorry if that is a little off topic.

Each player can use 1 Jephthah discard only per game, no matter how many copies or versions you have in your deck.

Quote from: Crashfach2002 on December 23, 2016, 12:49:43 PM

Quote from: The Schaefer on December 23, 2016, 05:04:30 AM

Just a question regarding multiple Jephthah's being played.

Are you limited to once per game per Jephthah card or is it all Jephthah's period. Also the PA and J Jephthah have different abilities since their potential targets differ, does that make them separate once per game abilities?

Sorry if that is a little off topic.

Each player can use 1 Jephthah discard only per game, no matter how many copies or versions you have in your deck.

Is there some explanation as to why? The Pa and J Jephthah have different abilities in function so I fail to see how the once per game per player clause limits the use for the other since neither specify only 1 Jephthah once per game ability can be used per game. Am I just missing something?

The ability of the version of Jep that discards two evil characters can only be used once per game per player. The other version of Jep that doesn't have a specified limit can be used as much as you want just like a normal ability.

Quote from: Kevinthedude on December 23, 2016, 07:09:36 PM

Quote from: The Schaefer on December 23, 2016, 06:35:26 PM

Quote from: Crashfach2002 on December 23, 2016, 12:49:43 PM

Quote from: The Schaefer on December 23, 2016, 05:04:30 AM

Just a question regarding multiple Jephthah's being played.

Are you limited to once per game per Jephthah card or is it all Jephthah's period. Also the PA and J Jephthah have different abilities since their potential targets differ, does that make them separate once per game abilities?

Sorry if that is a little off topic.

Each player can use 1 Jephthah discard only per game, no matter how many copies or versions you have in your deck.

Is there some explanation as to why? The Pa and J Jephthah have different abilities in function so I fail to see how the once per game per player clause limits the use for the other since neither specify only 1 Jephthah once per game ability can be used per game. Am I just missing something?

The ability of the version of Jep that discards two evil characters can only be used once per game per player. The other version of Jep that doesn't have a specified limit can be used as much as you want just like a normal ability.

Both Jephthah have a limit I'll post the abilities for reference.

Jephthah  (pa)
Errata/Play As: Holder may discard the top card from his deck to discard any two Evil Characters in a territory or set-aside area. Limit once per player per game.

Jephthah  (j)
Once per game, you may discard the top card of your deck to discard up to 2 Evil Characters.

My question is since the abilities are different why does using 1 ability limit the other? Unless I am missing an identifier or errata that limits players to using 1 Jephthah ability per game or something

Oh sorry, I was thinking of the new Jep with a completely different ability.

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Each player can use 1 Jephthah discard only per game, no matter how many copies or versions you have in your deck.

Is this a bottom-up ruling or is there something in a rules document that supports this?

Considering Jephthah  (j) and Jephthah (pa) have different abilities can someone explain the logic behind this ruling other than allowing players to use both Jephthah abilities in a game is bad for the game? As is they seem like 2 different once per game abilities since Jephthah ( j) can target evil characters in play (not set aside like pa) and Jephthah (pa) can target evil characters in territory or set aside (not battle like j). I'm just not seeing any reason why using 1 limits the other under the current rules other than TPTB say so. Unless there is a limit of 1 once per game ability per player for unique characters. (Which currently only applies to Jephthah as far as I know)