Author Topic: James son Alphie (Read 3687 times)

Aelec Enitnel · « **on:** August 04, 2011, 07:04:18 PM »

Special Ability: Negate special abilities on Evil Characters (and weapons) with toughness X or less. May band to Thaddeus.

Do the parentheses have any meaning?

The M · « **Reply #1 on:** August 04, 2011, 07:05:42 PM »

Maybe it means separately and not the combined toughness, but I have no clue.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #2 on:** August 04, 2011, 07:06:55 PM »

It means that weapons of toughness X or less are negated. Nothing more.

Master KChief · « **Reply #3 on:** August 04, 2011, 07:08:00 PM »

yeah, negates weapons.

my question is the negate applied seperately to each term or is weapons under the umbrella of ec's (negate sa's on ec's with toughness X or less, negate sa's on weapons with toughness X or less OR negate sa's on ec's with toughness X or less and the weapons on those ec's as well).

SomeKittens · « **Reply #4 on:** August 04, 2011, 07:11:24 PM »

This was asked earlier, it is separate. If I've got 5 Disciples out, Philly horses are negated, but Garrison isn't.

Master KChief · « **Reply #5 on:** August 04, 2011, 07:14:49 PM »

do you have a link to that thread? im surprised i never saw that nor questioned it myself.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #6 on:** August 04, 2011, 08:27:20 PM »

No, sorry. Honestly, it'd be quicker to get an Elder to chime in here instead of looking for it.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #7 on:** August 04, 2011, 10:38:24 PM »

SK is correct. The parentheses are necessary to avoid the interpretation that he negates all EC's regardless of X, but only weapons with toughness X or less.

James negates EC's with toughness less than X, and weapons with toughness less than X.

CJSports · « **Reply #8 on:** August 05, 2011, 08:02:54 AM »

Was this the same sourta problem with Job with his discard and capture abilities.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #9 on:** August 05, 2011, 11:57:02 AM »

Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

browarod · « **Reply #10 on:** August 05, 2011, 10:00:14 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 11:57:02 AM

Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)

Actually, that's the play as, which is incorrect. Job just says "discard" so it has been ruled that he's protected from game rule discards as well as abilities.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #11 on:** August 05, 2011, 10:38:38 PM »

*sigh* Why do I even post anymore?

Master KChief · « **Reply #12 on:** August 05, 2011, 10:46:47 PM »

well that way when you do post we know to do the exact opposite for the right answer.

just kidding, just kidding.

browarod · « **Reply #13 on:** August 05, 2011, 11:11:33 PM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 10:38:38 PM

*sigh* Why do I even post anymore?

I'm wrong all the time, I just roll with the punches and get confidence boosts from the "Browarod is correct" quotes.

LOL @ MKChief. You're so mean.

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #14 on:** August 06, 2011, 01:45:21 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 10:38:38 PM

*sigh* Why do I even post anymore?

For the amusement of others?

Josh · « **Reply #15 on:** August 06, 2011, 08:19:54 AM »

Quote from: browarod on August 05, 2011, 10:00:14 PM

Quote from: SomeKittens on August 05, 2011, 11:57:02 AM
Job specifically says "abilities"
Job (Pi)
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 6 / 12 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect Job from discard and capture abilities. • Play As: Protect Job from discard abilities and capture abilities. • Identifiers: OT Male Human • Verse: Job 2:3 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Rare)
Actually, that's the play as, which is incorrect. Job just says "discard" so it has been ruled that he's protected from game rule discards as well as abilities.

Actually, the Elders took this exact question to Rob, and he ruled that Job is not protected from discard by numbers. http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/ruling-questions/job-question/msg397021/#msg397021

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** August 06, 2011, 10:57:22 AM »

That is outdated.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #17 on:** August 06, 2011, 01:42:50 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 06, 2011, 10:57:22 AM

That is outdated.

As far as I know, the thread jmhartz linked to is the most current ruling.

Gabe · « **Reply #18 on:** August 06, 2011, 09:15:26 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 06, 2011, 10:57:22 AM

That is outdated.

Pol is mistaken in this instance. Rob's ruling from earlier this year stands and is not expected to change.

browarod · « **Reply #19 on:** August 06, 2011, 09:27:27 PM »

Well, I sit corrected yet again. Looks like I'm pulling "SomeKittens" left and right, lol.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #20 on:** August 06, 2011, 09:38:51 PM »

Quote from: browarod on August 06, 2011, 09:27:27 PM

Well, I sit corrected yet again. Looks like I'm pulling "SomeKittens" left and right, lol.

Woohoo! I have a reputation!

browarod · « **Reply #21 on:** August 06, 2011, 09:40:31 PM »

This does bring up another question, though. Since apparently the lack of "abilities" after discard doesn't necessarily mean anything in the Priests set, does that mean High Priest's Palace does NOT protect from discard by game rule either? Because if it does then that would be a glaring inconsistency.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #22 on:** August 06, 2011, 09:47:14 PM »

(let's try and make this 2-1...) Since Job says "capture abilities" the word abilities applies to all protects on the card (a la Reach of Desperation's "may" applying individually to all three abilities). HPP doesn't say abilities.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #23 on:** August 07, 2011, 09:27:22 PM »

Wait, what? So protection doesn't protect from numbers now? I thought there was just a big to-do about the official ruling being the opposite...

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #24 on:** August 07, 2011, 10:30:47 PM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on August 07, 2011, 09:27:22 PM

Wait, what? So protection doesn't protect from numbers now? I thought there was just a big to-do about the official ruling being the opposite...

What they are saying is that "protected from discard abilities" does not protect from the numbers, but "protect from discard" does. Job is the former.

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