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Jaddua, son of Jonathan
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 7 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If Zerubbabel’s Temple is in play, negate all special abilities on Curses. Protect all Artifacts in play, hands, and artifact piles from discard abilities. • Attributes: Zerubbabel's Temple High Priest, House of Eleazar • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Zerubbabel's Temple High Priest (House of Eleazar) • Verse: Nehemiah 12:11 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()

Covenant of Noah
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: Use as an enhancement or an Artifact. Interrupt and prevent one evil enhancement. Discard after use. • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Genesis 9:1 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Common)

Altar of Ahaz
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all Lost Souls from rescue by Dominants. Discard this card if a human Hero rescues a Lost Soul from your territory. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts an Evil Altar, False Religious Practice • Verse: II Kings 16:11 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Ultra Rare)

1) If i make a resucue atempt with Jaddua with Z-tepmle is in play, and I have Covenant of Noah Active,and use it during the corse of battle is it discarded?

2) If i make a resucue atempt with Jaddua with Z-tepmle is in play, and my oppent has Alter of Ahaz Active,and Juddua wins the battle, is it discarded?

So really my question is "Can an Juddua stop and artifact from discarding itsself?"

I know some of the Arts say somthing along the lines of "limit two per game" but these two are examples that just say discard after use.

Hey,

The PTB decided to give Covenant with Noah errata back in January when we gave Unholy Writ errata.  The idea of both was to make them cost/benefit abilities.

But yes Jaddua can stop an artifact from discarding itself.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

So this does not work?  IN other words You cannot use CoN while Jaddua is in battle (since you cannot d/c it I assume you cannot negate and evil enhancement) correct?

So this does not work?  IN other words You cannot use CoN while Jaddua is in battle (since you cannot d/c it I assume you cannot negate and evil enhancement) correct?

Assuming that the errata was made, then yes. I remember the change to Writ, but not to CoN though.

no errata for con. lets break the bank while we can!

Hey,

According to this, there is not eratta for OoN so I suppose it still works for OoN until the eratta comes for this...and any other card that should be a cost/benefit card but is not yet.

If you can think of any other cards that need to be cost/benefit and are not please let us know.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

The first one that jumps to mind is Unsuccessful. It doesn't even contain verbage to discard it. Does that mean it hangs around with a counter in the artifact pile doing nothing except waiting to be Uzzah'd?

I think there is a standging game rule where if something has been used up, then it is d/c'ed (like Promised land and New Jerusalem (site))  If that is the case then Jaddua would not keep it around because it is being d/c'ed via game rule and not SA.

If there isnt a game rule then something needs to be done (such as a play as/eratta) for Unsuccessful.

Actually, NJ is not Discarded after two uses. That rule is only for Artifacts. I believe the reason Unsuccessful is worded the way it is is so that you can get both the numbers and the Negate if you play it as an Enhancement.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on June 29, 2010, 08:29:09 PM

Actually, NJ is not Discarded after two uses.

I have heard otherwise and it seems a bit irregular to not d/c it after its uses especially when many other things are.  Is there some place where this is specifically addressed?

I always assumed NJ (site) was discarded after two uses also until I looked into it further.  Searching the rules revealed that only used up Artifacts are discarded.  There's nothing that states that used up Sites (or any other card type) are discarded.

Ah, so it can be used and then left in territory for d/c purposes or for placing LS's in it.  That actually helps a lot.

Thats funny Matt, I thought you "learned" this trick last year when I showed it to you... 

Yeah, You can still use NJ for several things after it is used up.  Kirk opened my eyes to this at Ohio State.  The wording does not say yo uhave to disard it, it just prevents you from using it for a rescue attempt.

Kirk