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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: BlazerCC on June 27, 2010, 02:08:57 PM
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Jaddua, son of Jonathan
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 7 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: If Zerubbabel’s Temple is in play, negate all special abilities on Curses. Protect all Artifacts in play, hands, and artifact piles from discard abilities. • Attributes: Zerubbabel's Temple High Priest, House of Eleazar • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Zerubbabel's Temple High Priest (House of Eleazar) • Verse: Nehemiah 12:11 • Availability: Thesaurus ex Preteritus booster packs ()
Covenant of Noah
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Blue • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: Use as an enhancement or an Artifact. Interrupt and prevent one evil enhancement. Discard after use. • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Genesis 9:1 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Common)
Altar of Ahaz
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect all Lost Souls from rescue by Dominants. Discard this card if a human Hero rescues a Lost Soul from your territory. • Identifiers: OT, Depicts an Evil Altar, False Religious Practice • Verse: II Kings 16:11 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Ultra Rare)
1) If i make a resucue atempt with Jaddua with Z-tepmle is in play, and I have Covenant of Noah Active,and use it during the corse of battle is it discarded?
2) If i make a resucue atempt with Jaddua with Z-tepmle is in play, and my oppent has Alter of Ahaz Active,and Juddua wins the battle, is it discarded?
So really my question is "Can an Juddua stop and artifact from discarding itsself?"
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I have a sneaking suspicion that many of these Arts may get either an erratta or a ruling change to make them Cost/benefit. Right now, some of these arts are cost benefit and some are not. Neither CoN or Altar of Ahaz are cost/benefit so it Jaddua is making an RA (or enters battle in any way and his SA is not negated) then neither would be discarded. A good way to protect Altar of Ahaz if you are defending would be to side battle your Jaddua into activation while your opponent is making a RA.
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I know some of the Arts say somthing along the lines of "limit two per game" but these two are examples that just say discard after use.
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I'd say currently Jaddua+CoN=free deus ex machina negate. That will probably be fixed shortly.
But he certainly can stop an Art from Discarding itself. Attacking with Jaddua is a way to stop UW/UN/GiC.
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Hey,
The PTB decided to give Covenant with Noah errata back in January when we gave Unholy Writ errata. The idea of both was to make them cost/benefit abilities.
But yes Jaddua can stop an artifact from discarding itself.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Hey,
The PTB decided to give Covenant with Noah errata back in January when we gave Unholy Writ errata. The idea of both was to make them cost/benefit abilities.
But yes Jaddua can stop an artifact from discarding itself.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
Link? I musta missed that.
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So this does not work? IN other words You cannot use CoN while Jaddua is in battle (since you cannot d/c it I assume you cannot negate and evil enhancement) correct?
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i think im now more lost then at first.
link to ruling that Sir Nobody talked about would be nice.
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So this does not work? IN other words You cannot use CoN while Jaddua is in battle (since you cannot d/c it I assume you cannot negate and evil enhancement) correct?
Assuming that the errata was made, then yes. I remember the change to Writ, but not to CoN though.
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According to this (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=24.0), there is not eratta for OoN so I suppose it still works for OoN until the eratta comes for this...and any other card that should be a cost/benefit card but is not yet.
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no errata for con. lets break the bank while we can! :)
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Errata for both CoN and UW were approved by Rob at the same time. I don't see where the errata for CoN was ever announced or posted. I expect we'll see it soon.
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Hey,
According to this (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=24.0), there is not eratta for OoN so I suppose it still works for OoN until the eratta comes for this...and any other card that should be a cost/benefit card but is not yet.
If you can think of any other cards that need to be cost/benefit and are not please let us know.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
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Hey,
According to this (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=24.0), there is not eratta for OoN so I suppose it still works for OoN until the eratta comes for this...and any other card that should be a cost/benefit card but is not yet.
If you can think of any other cards that need to be cost/benefit and are not please let us know.
Tschow,
Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly
None come to mind but that doenst there arent any.
Are all of these cost benefit?
Unknown Nation
Go into Captivity
Besieged
unsuccessful
Ark of the Covenant
30 Pieces of Silver
...?
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The first one that jumps to mind is Unsuccessful. It doesn't even contain verbage to discard it. Does that mean it hangs around with a counter in the artifact pile doing nothing except waiting to be Uzzah'd?
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Unsuccessful
Type: Curse • Brigade: Grey • Ability: 0 / 6 • Class: None • Special Ability: Negate the last good Enhancement played in battle (may be used once). • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Deuteronomy 28:29 • Availability: Priests booster packs (Uncommon)
O_o; I need to check if this is right. Weird. Could you theoretically shuffle it back in and then reuse it?
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I think there is a standging game rule where if something has been used up, then it is d/c'ed (like Promised land and New Jerusalem (site)) If that is the case then Jaddua would not keep it around because it is being d/c'ed via game rule and not SA.
If there isnt a game rule then something needs to be done (such as a play as/eratta) for Unsuccessful.
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The Covenant of Noah errata is official. (http://www.cactusgamedesign.com/message_boards/index.php?topic=21965.new#new)
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Actually, NJ is not Discarded after two uses. That rule is only for Artifacts. I believe the reason Unsuccessful is worded the way it is is so that you can get both the numbers and the Negate if you play it as an Enhancement.
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Actually, NJ is not Discarded after two uses.
I have heard otherwise and it seems a bit irregular to not d/c it after its uses especially when many other things are. Is there some place where this is specifically addressed?
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Actually, NJ is not Discarded after two uses.
I have heard otherwise and it seems a bit irregular to not d/c it after its uses especially when many other things are. Is there some place where this is specifically addressed?
I always assumed NJ (site) was discarded after two uses also until I looked into it further. Searching the rules revealed that only used up Artifacts are discarded. There's nothing that states that used up Sites (or any other card type) are discarded.
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Ah, so it can be used and then left in territory for d/c purposes or for placing LS's in it. That actually helps a lot.
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Ah, so it can be used and then left in territory for d/c purposes or for placing LS's in it. That actually helps a lot.
Thats funny Matt, I thought you "learned" this trick last year when I showed it to you... ::)
Yeah, You can still use NJ for several things after it is used up. Kirk opened my eyes to this at Ohio State. The wording does not say yo uhave to disard it, it just prevents you from using it for a rescue attempt.
Kirk
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Yes, I definitely remember that, but it was soon after that, that someone made a good argument that it was d/c'ed. I cant remember who it was. Then again..as I am thinking about it I may have been confusing used up artifacts with used up sites and saying the rule applied to both.
Sometimes I am a jumble of right and wrong all at the same time. ;D