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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #25 on: April 29, 2012, 09:08:15 PM »
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i know lol i was being sarcastic.
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #26 on: April 29, 2012, 09:54:12 PM »
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That's only because I wasn't your teacher.   ;)

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My favorite 3 math debates are:
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2012, 10:14:44 PM »
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My favorite math debate is "What is the limit of (the sine of x)/n, as n approaches infinity?"

Some say zero. I say six.



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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2012, 11:40:06 PM »
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C - whether 6 x 9 REALLY is 42 (for all you Hitchiker's fans).

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #29 on: April 30, 2012, 12:31:11 PM »
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I'd argue that Retricts are not that.

Restricts are not what?

My favorite math debate is "What is the limit of (the sine of x)/n, as n approaches infinity?"

Some say zero. I say six.

Now that's funny.

My favorite 3 math debates are:
     A - whether 1 / infinity REALLY is = 0,
     B - whether .999 repeating REALLY is = 1 (same idea)
     C - whether 6 x 9 REALLY is 42 (for all you Hitchiker's fans).

A is more or less philosophically true, but mathematically unprovable. It's axiomatic, based on the definition of infinity being representative of a number greater than any other number. In order for a number to be a number, adding another number to it must result in a number. So if we agree that x is a number, then x+1 must also be a number. Hence, the concept of infinity cannot be a number, thus division doesn't really apply to it.

However, if we were to philosophically apply the rules of mathematics, then all numbers (excluding zero, but including infinity, if we accept that it is a number) must have multiplicative inverses. Let's assume that the multiplicative inverse of infinity is a, i.e. 1/infinity = a. Let's then assume that a > 0 (it certainly cannot be less than 0, so really we are assuming that it is inequal to zero, to set up a contradiction).

Since a > 0, there must exist some a' such that a > a' > 0. Thus, 1/a < 1/a'. However, 1/a = infinity, thus infinity < 1/a'. But there cannot exist a number greater than infinity, thus 1/a' cannot exist. We then have a contradiction, so our assumption that a > 0 cannot be true. Hence, a = 0, thus zero is the multiplicative inverse of infinity, thus 1/infinity = 0. Again, the proof is only valid when you apply the rules of number theory to a quantity that is not really a number (infinity) so the idea that 1/infinity = 0 is only philosophically true, and must be accepted axiomatically to be useful in mathematics.

B. 0.999... = Sum(0.9*(0.1)^(n),0, infinity). That is a fact that must be accepted as a definition of 0.999...
    The sum of an infinite geometric sequence Sum(a*k^n,0, infinity) is defined as a/(1-k), thus .999...= 0.9/(1-0.1) = 1
    A similar argument can be based on the idea from above, as Prof U suggested:
    .9 = 1-1/10
    .99 = 1-1/10^2
    .999 = 1-1/10^3
    ...
    .999... = 1 - 1/10^infinity = 1- 1/infinity = 1 - 0 = 1

C. 6 x 9 = 42 in Base 13, and apparently in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy (yes, I'm a nerd who has never read it).
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #30 on: April 30, 2012, 01:46:02 PM »
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That they can't restrict other players and their cards. I'm just making an Arguement that CBN is a Restrict ability.

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2012, 01:48:49 PM »
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2012, 01:53:33 PM »
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I think we have gotten off topic here cause how does math deal with the issue of Wool Fleece

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2012, 01:55:09 PM »
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Forget math.  Shakespeare could be an Elder.

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #34 on: April 30, 2012, 01:56:11 PM »
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rofl
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #35 on: April 30, 2012, 01:57:46 PM »
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That they can't restrict other players and their cards. I'm just making an Arguement that CBN is a Restrict ability.

In a way it could be seen like that, but it's really not. CBN/I/P abilities have their own class of abilities, assigning them to a different class might lead to headaches when it comes to possible (but improbable) wording like "protect players from restrict abilities, etc.".

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I think we have gotten off topic here cause how does math deal with the issue of Wool Fleece

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #36 on: April 30, 2012, 02:01:34 PM »
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I think we have gotten off topic here cause how does math deal with the issue of Wool Fleece
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #38 on: April 30, 2012, 03:07:58 PM »
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Wow, a bunch of nerds talking about math, and not a single person opts to say that Obama Care is unconstitutional? I thought this board was conservative.

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #39 on: April 30, 2012, 03:26:45 PM »
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That's the 2nd, mabey 3rd time I've hear you bing up obamacare in the last few days. I'm getting the feeling you really don't like it  ::)
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #40 on: April 30, 2012, 03:54:35 PM »
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Wow, a bunch of nerds talking about math, and not a single person opts to say that Obama Care is unconstitutional? I thought this board was conservative.

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #41 on: April 30, 2012, 05:09:52 PM »
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I think it would be better like that but make it that cards that negate Restricts (like an Iron Pan like card that negates Restrict Abilities) those cannot Stop a CBN card, but then have something that can hurt CBN cards because the overpowered effects are getting crazy especially w/ the CB-cards.
I'd like to see something that is useful against CBN cards (especially like CBN Discards, because of what is now going on w/ the OP CBN D/C's)

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #42 on: April 30, 2012, 06:06:37 PM »
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I think it would be better like that but make it that cards that negate Restricts (like an Iron Pan like card that negates Restrict Abilities) those cannot Stop a CBN card, but then have something that can hurt CBN cards because the overpowered effects are getting crazy especially w/ the CB-cards.
I'd like to see something that is useful against CBN cards (especially like CBN Discards, because of what is now going on w/ the OP CBN D/C's)

We have already done some things to combat CB- stuff. Protects and insteads are the two best examples. The next logical step is something that punishes people for using CB- stuff, but whether that will happen or not is not certain.
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #43 on: April 30, 2012, 07:10:48 PM »
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I know there are Protects/Insteads/Immunes, but most of the time I'm waiting to use my Protectorite until after my Opponent has played a nasty card, but now because I can't ItB w/ them, it makes it pointless to do that. I'd rather see more ways to get around them, especially for the themes that don't do to well against them.
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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #44 on: April 30, 2012, 07:47:03 PM »
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I'd rather see more ways to get around them, especially for the themes that don't do to well against them.


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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #45 on: April 30, 2012, 07:50:22 PM »
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I made one myself that's cool too:

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Re: Is Wool Fleece a Negate or Protect?
« Reply #46 on: April 30, 2012, 10:03:09 PM »
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Well, as fun as this thread has been, I think it's time to let it rest.

Wool Fleece is a prevent, not a protect or restrict.
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