Author Topic: Inturrupting Lydia and Writ (Read 3459 times)

redemptioncousin · « **on:** July 25, 2009, 06:28:10 PM »

If you have Unholy Writ active and your opponent attempts to make a rescue against you with Lydia you cannot writ her b/c she is protected from capture. If you block with a BBTN character, you can.

What if you interrupt the battle (with a horses card, or dream, or even a battle winner that says inturrupt) can you then writ Lydia??? I realize that if you play dream and then a capture enhancement that it works b/c the interrupt is in effect until you play the next enhancement, but can you (or your opponent) use Writ against her in this time period???

Unholy Writ - Capture any human hero in battle

Dream - Interrupt the battle, draw three cards and play the next enhancement.

Lydia - Protect this hero from capture.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #1 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:29:39 PM »

No. The ability of the interrupt card must complete before you can use any Doms or Arts.

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #2 on:** July 25, 2009, 06:30:42 PM »

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #3 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:02:38 PM »

Quote from: Arch Angel on July 25, 2009, 06:29:39 PM

No. The ability of the interrupt card must complete before you can use any Doms or Arts.

100% correct. The full ability on ANY enhancement must complete before anything else can happen. When you don't play an enhancement with Dream, the ability is finished and Lydia reactivates.

robm · « **Reply #4 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:12:35 PM »

Interrupting the battle is not negating the special ability of Lydia. She cannot be captured unless you negate her special ability.

Arch Angel · « **Reply #5 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:30:46 PM »

Quote from: robm on July 25, 2009, 09:12:35 PM

Interrupting the battle is not negating the special ability of Lydia. She cannot be captured unless you negate her special ability.

She can be captured via an interrupt ability, though. Like Dream + Head of Gold

robm · « **Reply #6 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:36:22 PM »

Lydia cannot be capture. So why would you be able to interupted that? It can be negated. So you have to negate it do to so.

If I am wrong about this then game logistics are getting way to technical and complicated.

Lydia: White Hero

May use purple enhancements. Lydia cannot be capture.

Only way to stop this use a card to negate it, correct?

lightningninja · « **Reply #7 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:37:29 PM »

Wrong. protection is ongoing, so interrupting the battle interrupts Lydia's ability.

robm · « **Reply #8 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:39:29 PM »

Well that is a stupid rule.

lightningninja · « **Reply #9 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:41:26 PM »

Why? Ongoing can be interrupted. Interrupt IS a negate, it just means that you're interrupting it AFTER it's played.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #10 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:41:45 PM »

ok, ITB is not like a negate everything. It only interrupts the following things:

All ongoing abilities (all abilities that like protect that continue for the entire battle)
Any ability discarding, capturing, removing, etc your hero/EC
The last enhancement played in battle, if it was your opponent's.

Quote from: lightningninja on July 25, 2009, 09:41:26 PM

Why? Ongoing can be interrupted. Interrupt IS a negate, it just means that you're interrupting it AFTER it's played.

Interrupt isn't a negate, negate is an interrupt.

robm · « **Reply #11 on:** July 25, 2009, 09:51:55 PM »

So my opponent can interupt the may not be captured ability and capture her. Then I have to negate it to keep her.

How about I interupt your capture and AotL you, or remove the EC from the game.

lightningninja · « **Reply #12 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:01:23 PM »

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on July 25, 2009, 09:41:45 PM

Interrupt isn't a negate, negate is an interrupt.

Actually, I don't think so.

Negate = interrupt and prevent
Interrupt = negate after a card is played
Prevent = negate before a card is played

So interrupt is a kind of negate.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #13 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:33:47 PM »

Quote from: lightningninja on July 25, 2009, 10:01:23 PM

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on July 25, 2009, 09:41:45 PM
Interrupt isn't a negate, negate is an interrupt.
Actually, I don't think so.

Negate = interrupt and prevent
Interrupt = negate after a card is played
Prevent = negate before a card is played

So interrupt is a kind of negate.

You are stating the following: (A=Negate, B=Interrupt, C=Prevent)

A = B + C
B = A
C = A

Unless everything is 0, and therefore negated (hehe).......

Interrupt = Interrupt, Prevent = Prevent, and Negate = Interrupt & Prevent.

sk · « **Reply #14 on:** July 25, 2009, 10:38:26 PM »

Cameron is right.

My understanding is that it works like this:
Interrupt = stop the last or ongoing ability or effect while the card completes.
Prevent = stop the ability or effect from being able to happen.
Negate = stop the ability or effect from ever happening or being able to happen.

Quote from: lightningninja on July 25, 2009, 10:01:23 PM

Negate = interrupt and prevent

While this is the classic formula, I've been told it's wrong, as negates are totally different than interrupts or prevents. I'm hoping that the new REG will explain negate better.

Quote from: robm on July 25, 2009, 09:51:55 PM

So my opponent can interupt the may not be captured ability and capture her.

Yes. The interrupt stops her ongoing ability while the card completes.

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Then I have to negate it to keep her.

Yes.

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How about I interupt your capture and AotL you, or remove the EC from the game.

Interrupt + remove EC is fine, assuming your interrupt allows you to play a card. However, while an interrupt is being used, nothing else can be done until it completes, such as playing a dominant, unless the interrupt says otherwise (ie, holder may play a card). You can play AotL without interrupting, but the capturing effect remains unless you actually negate it.

lightningninja · « **Reply #15 on:** July 27, 2009, 03:11:02 PM »

I'm confused on how you differ with my post, Cameron.

I'm pretty sure negate = interrupt and prevent. If a card cannot be interrupted, you cannot negate it after it's play. If a card cannot be prevented, you can't negate it before it's played. Negate is the larger encompassing of the more narrow forms of negate.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #16 on:** July 28, 2009, 01:35:39 AM »

Negate functions as Interrupt+Prevent, but there is a fine distinction. Cards that cannot be Interrupted may be Negated before they are played (which would not be the case if Negate was Interrupt+Prevent). Same with cards that cannot be Prevented, except it's after they're played.

Cameron the Conqueror · « **Reply #17 on:** July 28, 2009, 11:12:35 AM »

Quote from: lightningninja on July 27, 2009, 03:11:02 PM

I'm confused on how you differ with my post, Cameron.

I'm pretty sure negate = interrupt and prevent. If a card cannot be interrupted, you cannot negate it after it's play. If a card cannot be prevented, you can't negate it before it's played. Negate is the larger encompassing of the more narrow forms of negate.

You just keep using the word "negate" in your explanation of interrupt.

Quote from: Minister Polarius on July 28, 2009, 01:35:39 AM

Negate functions as Interrupt+Prevent, but there is a fine distinction. Cards that cannot be Interrupted may be Negated before they are played (which would not be the case if Negate was Interrupt+Prevent). Same with cards that cannot be Prevented, except it's after they're played.

lightningninja · « **Reply #18 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:43:42 PM »

Yes, I agree. I'm just saying that interrupt is a type of negate, not negate is a type of interrupt, which is what you said originally. That's wrong, because you can prevent something with a negate. Therefore, interrupt is a smaller spectrom of negate and so interrupt is a type of negate.

happyjosiah · « **Reply #19 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:44:38 PM »

If everyone agrees, why are we still arguing?

Korunks · « **Reply #20 on:** July 28, 2009, 03:48:47 PM »

Because its like watching a flipping train wreck, you know you should stop but you really want to see how far it goes before it stops.

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