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Offline joezim007

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Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« on: May 18, 2012, 11:15:05 AM »
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If Judas' Plot is used to instead a Son of God. Would the New Jerusalem played with the SoG still work? The only reason I see that it wouldn't work is because of the word "additional" in New Jerusalem.

Judas’ Plot (Di)

Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Crimson • Ability: 2 / 2 • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Place on your N.T. human Evil Character: If an opponent's good Dominant rescues or discards a card, discard this Enhancement instead to place that Dominant under deck. Protect bearer from conversion. • Identifiers: None


New Jerusalem (P)

Type: Lamb • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Play this card simultaneously with the Son of God card and rescue any additional Lost Soul in play. • Identifiers: None
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« Reply #1 on: May 18, 2012, 11:21:30 AM »
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I would agree that it wouldn't work bc of the "additional" wording on NJ
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #2 on: May 18, 2012, 12:05:33 PM »
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I can't find previous threads with the search being down, but I'm pretty sure the ruling is that NJ still rescues a soul even if SoG is insteaded (because you still played it with SoG).
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #3 on: May 18, 2012, 12:52:29 PM »
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I agree, additional doesn't really have a meaning there, it was merely explaining that you are now rescuing 2 LS's instead of one.
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« Reply #4 on: May 18, 2012, 12:59:29 PM »
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Ok if that is the ruling but based off the wording I would say additional is a condition that means if you rescue one with SoG then rescue the additional with NJ
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #5 on: May 18, 2012, 01:00:32 PM »
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And sense when did intention trump wording?  ::)
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #6 on: May 18, 2012, 03:59:46 PM »
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Because it doesnt require SoG to work, just to be played at the same time. 'aditionally' has no meaning, just like 'must' has no meaning.
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #7 on: May 18, 2012, 06:50:07 PM »
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Quote from: jbeers285 on May 18, 2012, 12:59:29 PM
Ok if that is the ruling but based off the wording I would say additional is a condition that means if you rescue one with SoG then rescue the additional with NJ

If you're rescuing 0 souls and can rescue an additional soul, you rescue 1 soul.  Logic problem solved :)

The condition for the rescue with NJ is "if played with SoG".  Even though SoG is insteaded (meaning that the rescue never actually happened by the definition of instead), the condition for an additional rescue (even if it is just one instead of zero) is met and NJ can rescue a soul.
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2012, 06:53:30 PM »
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right...it's like the whole burial/lost soul thing.  If your rescuing with sog/nj and ur opponent uses a burial, you still get one.  So I would agree that NJ still works in what your talking about.
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Re: Judas' Plot and New Jerusalem
« Reply #9 on: May 18, 2012, 06:55:58 PM »
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Quote from: dermo4christ on May 18, 2012, 06:53:30 PM
right...it's like the whole burial/lost soul thing.  If your rescuing with sog/nj and ur opponent uses a burial, you still get one.  So I would agree that NJ still works in what your talking about.

You cannot play Burial in response to SoG/NJ.  Dominants are CBN by their nature.  And if you played them without legal targets (in the case of dominant slapjack and Burial won, say), the rules allow you to pick them up.  This scenario cannot happen.
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« Reply #10 on: May 18, 2012, 08:50:37 PM »
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I follow you on the logic there redoubter thanks for clearing that up
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