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Miraculous Handkerchiefs
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: All Heroes in holder's territory and set-aside areas cannot be discarded. Effects of enhancement cards, poisons, and diseases are delayed until Miraculous Handkerchiefs is removed. • Play As: Heroes in holder's territory and set-aside area are protected from poisons, diseases, and discard special abilities. Delay the effects of all poisons and diseases currently effecting holder's Heroes. Protect all Heroes in holder's territory and set-aside area from discard. Suspend the effect of ongoing abilities that have a negative effect on those heroes until this card is deactivated.  • Identifiers: None • Verse: Acts 19:11-12 • Availability: Apostles booster packs (Rare)

This "play as" decouples the instant from ongoing abilities and how these two ability types are considered by Miraculous Handkerchiefs. Negative effect is defined in the REG. "Suspend" is a new word, but it is very clear what it does. Do you agree this improves the "play as"?

Mike

Seems to be more clear.  Clarity is good.

I just wonder if the recent idea of using Miraculous Handkerchiefs with Doctrine Like Leaven would actually work with this definition.  My first inclination is that the combo would not work as desired.

Why not?  Doctrine Like Leaven doesn't rely on the decrease to bring the character back to play.

Doctrine Like Leaven
Type: Evil Enh. • Brigade: Black/Gray • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Set aside a Pharisee or Sadducee and decrease it 0/1 per turn. Each upkeep phase, search your discard pile for a generic Evil Character of the type set aside. Place it in your territory.

yay

I was actually more looking at the "ongoing abilities" portion of the play as.  Are set asides of the nature of Doctrine Like Leaven ongoing?  I was thinking no because they don't do anything except during the upkeep phase and that action is taken and completed.  Whereas a set aside like the red one from RoA that protects hand and draw pile and stuff like that is ongoing.

Thoughts?

If it becomes like High Priest's Palace then I would say yes, if it doesn't protect like that then no.  I hadn't thought about that part though.  Looks like it has a good chance of working.

Hey,

Doctrine Like Leaven has two abilities.  "Set aside a Pharisee or Sadducee and decrease it 0/1 per turn." and "Each upkeep phase, search your discard pile for a generic Evil Character of the type set aside. Place it in your territory."

Assuming the Pharisee or Sadducee that is set aside is a hero the first ability would be suspended by Miraculous Handkerchiefs.  The second ability would not be suspended by Miraculous Handkerchiefs so the combo would work.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

The text associated with Complainers is from the book of Numbers, long after the Israelites left Egypt. The text also refers directly to the people complaining, that being the Israelites.

I don't believe negate is a negative effect. The character (if it applies to a character) isn't being harmed (discarded, removed, decreased in ability, captured, etc...).

Miraculous Handkerchiefs targets Heroes in holder's territory or set-aside, not battle. The second sentence addresses what happens to the effect of enhancements that are targeting these particular Heroes, right? That was why the play as was reworded.

Mike

The text associated with Complainers is from the book of Numbers, long after the Israelites left Egypt.

Numbers 11:5 - "We remember the fish we ate in Egypt at no cost—also the cucumbers, melons, leeks, onions and garlic."

They came from Egypt, and were probably born there (like Midwives).