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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #175 on: August 29, 2009, 08:04:04 PM »
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wow, I have read this entire thread and I have no idea how to rule it now.  :-\
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #176 on: August 29, 2009, 08:07:34 PM »
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Currently, both Schaef and Bryon agree that it does indeed give initiative to the evil character, meaning it can be Negated.

For right now, that is how I would rule it.

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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #177 on: August 29, 2009, 08:32:24 PM »
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That's probably how it should be ruled, even if it in inaccurate to the game rule (which it doesn't seem to be anyway).
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #178 on: August 29, 2009, 08:41:26 PM »
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Hey Bryon, just a heads up, you misspelled "In" when you redid your article, it currently reads "io"
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #179 on: August 30, 2009, 02:00:56 PM »
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Currently, both Schaef and Bryon agree that it does indeed give initiative to the evil character, meaning it can be Negated.

For right now, that is how I would rule it.

That's fine, but does the hero get the lost soul if the EC doesn not negate it?
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #180 on: August 30, 2009, 02:10:20 PM »
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I'll let someone else give you an OFFICIAL ANSWER IN ALL CAPS, but my gut says no.

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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #181 on: August 30, 2009, 03:07:51 PM »
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Currently, both Schaef and Bryon agree that it does indeed give initiative to the evil character, meaning it can be Negated.

For right now, that is how I would rule it.

That's fine, but does the hero get the lost soul if the EC doesn not negate it?

No. It is still a mutual destruction by removal, so the hero still loses the battle, just as if the hero doesn't interrupt Zimri's ability.
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #182 on: August 30, 2009, 03:28:28 PM »
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7/4 Hero rescues
6/6 EC blocks
EC has created mutual destruction by numbers.  IF the battle ended here, the Hero WOULD win, but the rules say only this: If mutual, then it's the next guy's turn.
Hero gets initiative to play.  If nothing is done to change the situation, the battle will end with the Hero winning the Lost Soul.

Gold (human) Hero rescues
Red Dragon blocks
Hero plays Formal Training, immune to crimson
The Hero has created a stalemate.  IF the battle ended here, the EC WOULD win, but the rules say only this: If stalemate, then it's the next guy's turn.
EC gets initiative to play.  If nothing is done to change the situation, no Lost Soul is rescued.

Gold Hero rescues
EC blocks
Hero plays Samson's Sacrifice.
Hero has created mutual by removal.  IF the battle ended here, the EC WOULD win, but the rules say only this: If mutual, then it's the next guy's turn.
EC gets initiative to play.  If nothing is done to change the situation (i.e. the removal is not interrupted), no Lost Soul is rescued.

Note that all three of these situations play out the same:
- all three use the four-row table to determine initiative to play the next card
- all three pass initiative based on this table and not based on the potential end-of-battle results
- all three pass initiative to the guy who is next to play, even though in all three scenarios, the one gaining the initiative is in a position to have a favorable outcome

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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #183 on: August 30, 2009, 05:40:50 PM »
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Well, the feeling is not mutual.
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #184 on: August 30, 2009, 05:55:15 PM »
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Explain the flaw in my logic and we'll go from there.

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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #185 on: August 30, 2009, 07:44:14 PM »
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Even Spock knows that feelings are not logical.   ;)
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Re: Negating Samson's Sacrifice
« Reply #186 on: August 30, 2009, 08:52:15 PM »
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He had an advantage over me; he was half-human.

 


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