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1 - If there is a dispute as to whose dominant was played first, then the player responding to their own action gets priority.
2 - If there is NOT dispute as to whose dominant was played first, then the first dominant gets priority.
3 - YMT and Pol would like dominants to always have to follow rules of initiative, but this is NOT currently the rule.
4 - mjWolfe and Guardian would NOT like dominants to always have to follow rules of initiative, and this IS currently the rule.

Good can we make sure that these get codified into the REG in some form?  Whether or not we think the rules for redemption should be changed, we currently have many people not even sure what the rules even are at this moment. 

Alas, it seems the last major bad rule in Redemption will continue.

For the record, I have not found this true in tournaments, of which I have attended or hosted in five different states. 90% of those tournaments have one person who wins every open category of every tournament. My younger players end up quitting.

I attended one of you tournaments in Florida, and it seemed to me that all the people there had a good time.  I admit that you have Josh in your local playgroup, and that he is a great player, and probably wins most of the time.  But he is also makes games fun even if you're losing, so I doubt that anyone quits on account of him.

I think that as with any game, there will always be a fair number of people who pick up the game, play it for a bit, and then drop it.  But there are also those who stick with it, and who become those elite players after a while.  As for my personal hosting experience, it is a bit skewed due to being at a school, and therefore all my players leave after they graduate.  However, I have players who come to just a few meetings, others who play for a year, and a few who have played now for several years.

As for tournaments I've attended, there are some players who I've been seeing at tournaments for about 5 years (CrustPope, uthminister, SoulSeeker, Rod Stewart, Jonathan Pequinot, Jacob & Josiah Stroh, Allen Collins & his daughter Rebeccah, Steven Shiers, Caleb, etc.) and many of them would only be classified by most people as average players.  But they enjoy the game, and we have a lot of fun playing together.  Winning is definitely NOT everything, at least not in OH/KY.

For the record, I have not found this true in tournaments, of which I have attended or hosted in five different states. 90% of those tournaments have one person who wins every open category of every tournament. My younger players end up quitting.

Is that how "fun" works in your state?

I agree that is not much fun for the majority of people. One way to fix that problem is to not allow players to play every open category. Even if you have very small numbers, run T2 and T1 events side by side so that there will be more winners overall. There's nothing wrong with having 2 people for T2 2P or just 3 for T2 MP.  Also, having a Type A option for inexperienced players can also help--Type A is probably the biggest reason that we have kept so many of our younger players here in Minnesota despite having several big names who consistently win T1 2P.

Out of curiosity, who are you? I'm looking over the RNRS lists, and since you're from Florida I'm guessing you're Jonathan Majus, am I correct? Unfortunately RNRS points means nothing until the big hitter tournaments of the summer - Sure its cool to have some district wins and be up there in points, but as far as calling yourself a national leader, that may be overstepping it a little, not to mention lifetime points a far more important stat in my book.

I'm sure he's a very good player - I never said that he wasn't - I said that calling himself a national leader was overstepping it. I'd love to play him sometime - I'm sure that he'd probably show me some tricks.

EDIT: Looks like CS deleted his post - Ah wells, I'll leave this one here just so that no one can misconstrue my previous post as calling Johnny a bad player.