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Crown of thorns is active and Gates is up. Block ra with wandering spirit. Gates trembling demon(or any demon with */3 or less) use ws text to place it beneath deck. Gates the bottom card lather rinse repeat. Could you theoretically stall for the rest of the game with this?

I'm pretty sure there's a rule that characters cannot be discarded due to decrease during the battle phase, even if they are not in battle.

EDIT: However, if the bottom card of your deck is a non-orange demon, you could discard it with Gates and then keep placing it back under deck with WS.

A cool infinite loop would be using Consider the Lillies to grab Consider the Lillies beings it isn't an exchange.

Yes you can. You just can't exchange an exchange card with another exchange card. But Consider the Lillies isn't an exchange.

It is boring that we have to even answer these kinds of questions. Stalling is stalling. Searching for the same card is stalling. Come to my tournaments with this kind of nonsense and you'll be disqualified. Period.

Although I have searched and shuffled Consider the Lillies for Consider the Lilies before when I realized I didn't have a He is Risen in my discard pile.

This wouldn't be stalling. This would be an "Oops!" moment, which we all have from time to time. 

I hate searching for a card that I thought was in my deck, but ended up being on the floor under the table that I played my last game at.

Place in a territory-
When you search for a card, decrease all characters in play 1/1.

consider the lilies x infinite

is this broken? is it stalling now?

No. Yes.

How can it be considered stalling if the game rule consisted of stating how many times the loop takes place? I do this 12 times to decrease all characters by 12/12?

I didn't realize that we were implementing the "state the iterations" rule.

I agree. It makes sense. Then it would definitely not be stalling.

we need to, its a quick and concise solution to infinite loops.

See my previous post on this topic.

I've always regarded stalling as performing an action that doesn't progress the game.

So in that regard if such a card existed the answers would be 'Yes, very broken' and 'No, not stalling until there are no characters that can be decreased.'

The current wording only affects cards during the battle phase, when characters can fall below zero without being discarded. Such a card could be used to decrease characters to infinite negative numbers, and that will not change the fact they will have initiative.

RTS's suggestion of a stated limit could be used to avoid such a stall by saying, "I will use this loop 25 times to decrease all of my opponent's characters in play to negative numbers."

Frankly, I think the current rule of "you cannot exchange for an exchange," has an implied understanding that "you cannot search for a search," but I realize that some search cards are better then others. Still, "you cannot search for the same card" would be an inherent default.

This is not a good hypothetical situation, since WS's ability only activates in battle and Crown of Thorns cannot discard a character during the Battle Phase.

Also, Consider the Lilies is really an exchange, even if it doesn't directly say exchange. It accomplishes the same thing as it would if it said exchange.

But it is still a search, so the rules of exchange do not apply.