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some people don't want to learn the rules?

I want to learn the rules, I just need a teacher that can help me understand.

So why do CBI/CBN cards stick to the table for even if the card that drew it was negated?

I know thats the rule but why?

I was a wierd kid like that in school. I would raise my hand and ask questions that i knew the answers to because i knew others didnt understand or even didnt want to understand FTM-

Lol, I do the same thing sometimes. Usually only when I feel like the teacher is not making the topic clear enough though...

But Play next is CBI so it won't be sent back.

If you step back and look at the big picture you'll see that there are actually a few different abilities happening.

1) Interrupt the battle

2) Draw 2 cards

3) Play an enhancement

4) Any abilities that result from that enhancement

Only ability #3 is CBI.  I cannot indirectly negate the enhancement by only negating ability number #3.

CBI does not extend from ability #3 to the other abilities on the list.  I can directly negate the enhancement that was played.  I can also indirectly negate the enhancement by other means.  One way to indirectly negate the played enhancement, if it was drawn, is to negate the ability that drew it.  That removes it from play and returns it to the deck.

Only ability #3 is CBI.  ...

CBI does not extend from ability #3 to the other abilities on the list.

From my understanding, CBI/P/N on part of a card extends to the whole card in all other cases. Why is this different?

From my understanding, the limited CBI here is due to game rule, not card ability.

Even so, it seems like unnecessary confusion and inconsistency to allow "limited" CBP/I/N in game rules when it's not allowed on card abilities.

Initiative cannot be negated. Drawing can.

Thanks for restating what has already been said, but that doesn't answer (or even relate to) my question.

And I'm not arguing that part of the rule, hence why it doesn't relate to my question.

I'm not sure what the thread is but this has been asked before and answered by authorities similarly to what Red is saying. 

I've heard it ruled that once an enhancement is played it cannot be unplayed for any reason.  The enhancement of course can be negated but it sticks.  It was even ruled that if I just play the enhancement by initiative (not special ability), that also cannot be undone.  I agree that CBI should mean the same thing; not some CBI working differently than others.  If playing is truly CBI then like other CBI situations it can't undone even indirectly; the enhancement was played and can't be unplayed so it won't return to somewhere else. 

BTW, I thought playing was made CBI partly to stop loops like Claudia, ET, Abe's Servant, and get Abe's Servant back in hand.  I realize that Gabe's interpretation would not allow this but it would allow slightly modified versions like: Claudia, ET, Hozai, Abe's Servant and send Abe's Servant back, give the play from storehouse guy white or blue brigade and play Blessings from Storehouse and get it back, etc. 

I don't think those are game breaking but an example like that is what I recall as part of the explanation for the ruling.
Hopefully some elders can verify this.

this is what i was going on to galad