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Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on July 03, 2013, 04:16:43 PM

Quote from: Korunks on July 03, 2013, 04:12:53 PM

I think you meant to say dynamic?  The REG make no mention of ongoing abilities being dynamic by nature so being ongoing doesn't automatically make it temporary.

Dynamic, therefore ongoing, therefore temporary.

I skipped the dynamic part. 

Basically I am arguing  that you got the order wrong it is whether or not:
Dynamic, therefore temporary.

Ongoing has nothing to do with it.  The REG quote specifies the only criteria for the permanence of an increase or decrease is whether or not it is Dynamic.

Dynamic, therefore ongoing:

Dynamically conditional increase or decrease abilities are ongoing. Dynamic abilities are typically designated by a “*” or “x” on the card.

Ongoing, therefore temporary:

Ongoing increase or decrease abilities last until the end of the current phase.

In the end we are saying the same thing:

Lambo: PWD is not Dynamic, therefore not ongoing, therefore not temporary(correct me if I am wrong).

Me: PWD is not Dynamic, therefore instantaneous, therefore permanent.


Either way, how is PWD a temporary decrease?

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Dynamically conditional increase or decrease abilities are ongoing. Dynamic abilities are typically designated by a “*” or “x” on the card.

I think this is the word being missed. The quote that everyone is using does NOT say that all * or X abilities are dynamic and all others are not...

There is no other definition of a Dynamic ability in the REG.  In what way does the ability on PWD meet the criteria for a Dynamic ability?

I'd like an elder to rule on this. And if they don't rule the way I want them to I'm going to carry on about how wrong they are. I can't imagine why the elders don't line up to respond to requests like that...

If this is not how these are *supposed* to be ruled, then can you guys rewrite that section of the REG to clarify?

I'd like to encourage you to give it your best effort. If what you present makes sense, lines up with what Jordan explained and the other elders agree, then it can be added to the REG.

I'd like an elder to rule on this. And if they don't rule the way I want them to I'm going to carry on about how wrong they are. I can't imagine why the elders don't line up to respond to requests like that...

I actually don't care what happens to PWD but I would like to be able to explain to someone when I rule at a tournament, why the rule the is the way it is, and where they can go to find it themselves in the REG.  I am asking for an explanation but in the end I see no reason to rule PWD a temporary decrease based on the REG.  I am not saying that its wrong, I am juts trying to understand how under the current REG that ruling makes sense.  In the end I am only seeking to get as much of the unwritten rules codified into the REG as possible to make the game better, I am sorry if that offends you so much.