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Yes. Interrupts stop the last ability in battle. I'm not 100% sure about this (it may only be enhancement), but I'm reasonably sure.

No.  The discard of the hero is not interrupted.

Drrek has the list of three items correct right, and precisely none of them would cancel the discard.  Since EA cannot discard a hero from battle that ability is *not* interrupted.

My mistake, at least I cited where I might be wrong, right? 

You were still mostly correct.  After all, Striking Herod does interrupt the Archer's self-discard as that is an ongoing ability.

I do not believe ur correct,
ITB does exactly what it says, I'm interrupting the Character effect, the complete effect (unless it's CBI/CBN) and then removing him from Battle.
Also, the D/C Archer part is automatically stopped if he leaves battle. That was what was said on that so it doesn't matter if I interrupt that.

ITB does exactly what it says, I'm interrupting the Character effect, the complete effect....

This is a common misperception. ITB is clearly defined in the REG quote above. Any completed instant abilities that were not from the last enhancement or are not causing a loss by removal are not interrupted by ITB.

Also, the D/C Archer part is automatically stopped if he leaves battle. That was what was said on that so it doesn't matter if I interrupt that.

A completed instant ability is not stopped unless it is interrupted or negated, which Archer's discard of the hero was not, in this case.

Then ITB is useless, it doesn't do anything ever in this meta which doesn't flow. And that means that all Characters are CBI and thus no use to use any and all ITB cards because they don't actually do a thing.

That is going a little too far, and I'm not sure why you're so upset.  ITB is as specific as "Interrupt XYZ" or "Negate XYZ".  It has specific targets.  In fact, it does more than a standard interrupt or negate, even if it does not target everything.

Characters are still negated by interrupts and negates that target them, but you don't say that interrupts and negates are useless if they don't target a character, do you?

And, in fact, ITB does interrupt any character abilities causing you to lose the battle by removal.

You should calm down, take emotion out of it, and look at the actual rules for each card and use them for their specific purpose

"Interrupt the battle interrupts the following:

    Your opponent’s special abilities that are (1) causing you to be losing by removal (e.g., your opponent’s Net (BL)), or (2) causing a mutual destruction by mutual removal (e.g., your opponent’s King Zimri (Ki) but not your own King Zimri (Ki)).

    The last enhancement played in battle, as long as it was played by an opponent (e.g., your opponent’s False Peace (Pr) but not your own Reach of Desperation (Wo)).

    ALL ongoing special abilities (see Ongoing Abilities)."

Read it again.  It specifies in the examples even that it can interrupt a character, when that character is causing a losing condition by removal or mutual destruction.  It also interrupts ongoing abilities, which everyone pointed out includes the second part of Archer's ability.

It does not stop instant abilities that don't cause removal, nor should it.  Should every interrupt I play interrupt the draw your character made, or the search they allowed, or anything that happened 5 cards ago?  No.  That is also why it only interrupts the last enhancement.

The whole point of ITB is to stop an effect causing you to lose or to stop the last enhancement your opponent played (if you then get initiative).  It does a lot, and you should calm down and read the rule completely before assuming otherwise.

Ok, you seriously do need to calm, take a step back, and reread the abilities.

You are mixing targeted interrupts and ITB.  ITB has very specific targets, and, again, it does target characters when they cause removal or have ongoing abilities.

Something that says "Interrupt and discard an Evil Character", however, is a very different ability.  It specifically targets the Evil Character and temporarily undoes it entirely temporarily, even instant abilities that already activated, and then discards the EC.

Interrupt is an ability.  Interrupt the Battle specifies the targets listed above.  Other interrupts target what is specified in their ability.


But really, I do not understand why in these threads you take everything personally, even if something isn't the horrible thing you thought it was.  This isn't other games, not everything is going to work the same, and we have people here to help you when you need help reconciling the rules.  There is no need to be constantly hostile about it.

Can't we all just get along.....lol! Smile God loves you!!

"Interrupt a character" has a specific target. "Interrupt an enhancement" has a specific target. "Interrupt the battle" has specific targets.

Battle is not a target.

"Interrupt the battle" does have targets, which are the 3 things listed above.  That's how ITB is defined.  Every ability in Redemption does what it does specifically because it is defined to do so. 

All interrupts target abilities, not characters or enhancements.  "Interrupt a character" interrupts that character's ability.  "Interrupt an enhancement" interrupts that enhancement's ability.  "Interrupt the battle" interrupts all abilities that fall in the 3 categories above.

Striking Herod is definitely not useless.  It interrupts ongoing abilities, which includes Protect abilities.  If your opponent blocked with Proud Pharisee and played Self-Righteous Prayer, you would not be able to discard PP without interrupting or negating the discard protection of SRP.  It also interrupts any abilities that are causing you to lose the battle, such as King Zimri or an enhancement played by your opponent.  And it also can win you the battle by discarding a human evil character.

Frankly, not being able to use SH to interrupt EArcher's ability when EArcher isn't even targeting the hero in battle is the least of your concerns. 

Battle is a place, so If I Interrupt the battle, I should interrupt the whole battle, not just the easy to stop stuff.
As I see it, cards like SH aren't doing what they should. Making them not as good as they should be.