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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #25 on: April 16, 2012, 12:20:56 PM »
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Currently the rules allow it. To rule otherwise would be to make a bottom-up ruling, which is horrible for the game no matter what the actual rule is. Better to just close the loophole.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #26 on: April 16, 2012, 12:51:41 PM »
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I'm not sure what u mean, I don't think the current ruling allows for the rest of the effect to work. Could u explain?
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #27 on: April 16, 2012, 12:52:35 PM »
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The whole explanation is earlier on this thread, and in great detail.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #28 on: April 16, 2012, 01:32:34 PM »
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From what I see, the rule of the law says that you can only use the Healing part of the card if you play it as a Healing Enhancement.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2012, 01:43:44 PM »
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Quote from: megamanlan on April 16, 2012, 01:32:34 PM
From what I see, the rule of the law says that you can only use the Healing part of the card if you play it as a Healing Enhancement.

The letter of the law states a healing enhancement has to be played on a healable character to activate. It says nothing about it having to heal.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2012, 01:50:48 PM »
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How I see the rule states is that a Healing Enhancement has to Heal or else its not being played as a Healing Enhancement.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2012, 01:53:11 PM »
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How it's played doesn't change whether or not it's a healing enhancement. It's still a healing enhancement, which is subject to the same restrictions of when a healing enhancement can be played ("A character is healable if it is about to be discarded, was discarded earlier in the same turn, is poisoned, or is diseased. If no more specific requirement is specified targets must be healable"), and there's no rule that says it must activate to heal the character(s).
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #32 on: April 16, 2012, 03:03:29 PM »
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So an add to battle card is also a band card even before it's played? Because if not, then ANC shouldn't be a healing enhancement unless it's activated and targets something for healing.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #33 on: April 16, 2012, 03:04:40 PM »
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Yay, this thread again! Maybe someone will pay attention now.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #34 on: April 16, 2012, 03:08:52 PM »
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I don't really care which way it's ruled, but it should be consistent across all abilities that can be something or something else depending on how it's played.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #35 on: April 16, 2012, 03:12:00 PM »
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Or, have no abilities become other abilities. The solution to this is not a splicing of  two bad rulings, and this particular issue should be solved with a rule change that has nothing to do with the more important question of when the PTB is going to fix "add to battle."
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #36 on: April 16, 2012, 09:20:10 PM »
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I'm mixed on it...
My understanding is that if a card has multiple clauses. (A or B) it's played as one or the other. So if ANC is played as a Healing Enhancement it can't be used to Release Captured Heroes, or D/C Evil cards on Heroes. But for the ATB, I'd rather it be like this, Cards that only add Characters (like Baker/Cupbearer) are always Banding Cards, but cards that are optional (Like add a NT Card to Battle) is not a Banding card unless u add a Hero to battle w/ it. (aka big bad Idols doesn't ignore it until it adds a Character to battle) but this is just my opinion.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #37 on: April 18, 2012, 03:57:36 PM »
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cards that are optional (Like add a NT Card to Battle) is not a Banding card unless u add a Hero to battle w/ it.
This is how it is now and doesn't work. It's a very complicated series of operations, but if you want to read up on why its broken, the threads are out there.
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Re: The New Covenant
« Reply #38 on: April 18, 2012, 06:13:43 PM »
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Yeah... I hate research...
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