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If Imitate is emulating a CBN soul such as Humble, and Moses comes into play after Imitate begins imitating, would Imitate still work as Humble would for that round?

Imitate SA: Each upkeep, you may copy the ability of another N.T. LS for one round (activate the special ability as though you just drew the card).

Humble SA: blah blah blah it's CBN.

That's what I thought. Thanks.

Copy is CBI.

I believe that since the 'imitate' soul gained the ability of the 'humble' soul during upkeep, to negate the soul as 'imitate' that would have to be done during the same upkeep, after that you would only be able to negate the soul it has become. (If the soul it became was negatable)

Lost Soul (Humble)
During Battle, while opponent has more cards in hand than you, your cards cannot be prevented by opponents' card.

If Moses is being played after the activation of Humble/Imitate, wouldn't it be interrupting lost souls not preventing them?

well since imitate becomes a an ability which is CBN, and you can't indirectly negate CBN (which negating the copy ability would be an indirect negate basically) I would think once it is imitated, it would be sick, because CBN always sticks

but it shouldn't matter if the copy is CBI, because it copied something that is CBN, and once a CBN ability is activated, there is no way to negate it

is there any other evidence of abilities just ceasing to exist? 

there is evidence of CBN abilities staying around after they have been indirectly negated

all in all my ruling would be that the non cbn ongoing copy ability is negated by Moses and humble is no longer imitated after the phase following Moses negated imitate

My take is this...

The REG tells us Copy is an ongoing ability. From that we can assess that a copy ability active over multiple phases can be negated in a phase after it initially activates.
*Moses can negate Imitate.

The REG tells us "The granting of cannot be prevented to any ability cannot be negated". If something cannot be negated that means directly or indirectly. However, negating the copy ability will remove "Humble's" ability from the card, so that cards played after do not gain the CBP modifier.
*Cards granted CBP prior to Imitate being negated retain the CBP modifier.
*Cards played after the copy ability is negated do not gain the CBP modifier.

So, to clarify, if I block Tribal Elder banded to Isaiah with Egyptian Magicians, play Evil Spirit (Ki) to convert Isaiah and then play Mimicking Miracles to copy Evil Spirit and convert Tribal Elder, could my opponent play Sign of the Rainbow to negate Mimicking Miracles (assuming David's Harp is not active anywhere)?

What about Gam's Speech instead of SotR?

Tribal Elder -- O.T. Human Hero, 6/5, bands to O.T. Hero

Isaiah -- O.T. Human Hero, 7/8, negligible ability in this scenario.

Egyptian Magicians -- Gold/PG Evil Character, 2/4, Magician, negligible ability.

Evil Spirit -- Gold Evil Enhancement, 0/0, Convert O.T. Human Hero to EC for remainder of turn. CBN if David's Harp is not in play.

Mimicking Miracles -- Gold/PG Evil Enhancement, 4/2, If used by a magician, you may copy the special ability of an enhancement until end of turn.

Sign of the Rainbow -- Blue Good Enhancement, 2/2, Negate last evil enhancement played this battle.

Gamaliel's Speech -- Place in territory: at any time discard to negate and discard last enhancement played or another enhancement in play.

I typed all this from my phone so apologies if I misremembered abilities. I looked up Mimicking Miracles so that's accurate for sure.

given the ruling above you are saying you can negate a copy ability that copied a CBN ability, so then you would be able to negate mimicking miracles that copies an evil spirit.  would you be able to get SI to negate something like that?