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Offline princeofthisgame

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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #25 on: September 01, 2008, 11:11:31 PM »
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1. Correct.

2. I would guess that it is under debate on the "other side," however, if I am incorrect, than you are correct.
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #26 on: September 01, 2008, 11:43:59 PM »
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Quote from: 777Godspeed on September 01, 2008, 11:03:49 PM
2. If during the battle phase,  I ignore one of those brigades, while Antiochus is blocking, then I ignore all of him, black and gray, correct?

No, you ignore gray brigade, which means no gray card can harm you and no card played on a gray character can harm you.
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #27 on: September 02, 2008, 03:10:38 AM »
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So I wouldn't be able to play a black brigade enhancement on an Antiochus in that situation, right?
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #28 on: September 02, 2008, 05:18:09 AM »
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Quote from: Tsavong Lah on September 02, 2008, 03:10:38 AM
So I wouldn't be able to play a black brigade enhancement on an Antiochus in that situation, right?

You could play a black enhancement on him.  The question you meant to ask was can you harm the hero with black enhancement.  I would say yes.  Schaef, I believe, would say no.

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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #29 on: September 02, 2008, 06:32:48 AM »
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It has been no for as long as I have known to ask the question of others, and for the exact reason that I have given you.
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #30 on: September 02, 2008, 09:51:39 AM »
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Interesting. I can ignore 1 of the brigade colors of a multi-color character and cannot be harmed by the others, although the multi-color character can still play the off colors.
 


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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #31 on: September 02, 2008, 10:34:53 AM »
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Not only do I agree with Schaef, but I'd go further and say that if I am immune to gray, then I'm immune to all gray cards and enhancements used by Gray cards.  So, I'm immune to Antiochus Ep.

I like the 4-part definition of ignore, but I think that you should get ALL 4 parts of the ability when you ignore a multi-color character.

I don't really like the rule that you have to be immune to all brigades to be immune to a multi-colored character, especially if you can ignore a multi-colored character by ignoring only one color.  It seems very inconsistent to me.
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #32 on: September 02, 2008, 05:09:41 PM »
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Hey,

Quote from: Bryon on September 02, 2008, 10:34:53 AM
I like the 4-part definition of ignore, but I think that you should get ALL 4 parts of the ability when you ignore a multi-color character.

I don't really like the rule that you have to be immune to all brigades to be immune to a multi-colored character, especially if you can ignore a multi-colored character by ignoring only one color.  It seems very inconsistent to me.

So you are sugesting we change the immunity ruling?  (That's what I was arguing at nationals until we looked it up and found out I was wrong)

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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #33 on: September 02, 2008, 05:23:45 PM »
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I don't really like the rule that you have to be immune to all brigades to be immune to a multi-colored character, especially if you can ignore a multi-colored character by ignoring only one color.  It seems very inconsistent to me.

I think there are always going to be parts of the game that can seem inconsistent depending on how you look at them.  I think the key here is the difference between protection and targeting.

The way I look at it:

A multi-color character is like having a very large, powerful warship.  It has lots of weapons to use but is also easy to shoot at because of its size.  Because of its size it makes a lot of sound, is easy to see, gives off a lot of heat, etc.  If I want to attack it, I can use any kind of targeting system because of its multiple signatures.  Simalirly, it is easy to target and ignore/capture/discard a multi-color character.

On the other hand, if I want to be protected from it, it is very difficult.  Sure I'm protected from its 24" guns but then it shoots missiles at me.  I submerge my ship to protect me from missiles but then it launches torpedos at me.  In comparison, immunity may protect me from their blue, purple, and green weapons but he then uses a gold weapon and I'm done for. 
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #35 on: September 03, 2008, 07:42:41 PM »
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I don't really like the rule that you have to be immune to all brigades to be immune to a multi-colored character, especially if you can ignore a multi-colored character by ignoring only one color.  It seems very inconsistent to me.

I think there are always going to be parts of the game that can seem inconsistent depending on how you look at them.  I think the key here is the difference between protection and targeting.

The way I look at it:

A multi-color character is like having a very large, powerful warship.  It has lots of weapons to use but is also easy to shoot at because of its size.  Because of its size it makes a lot of sound, is easy to see, gives off a lot of heat, etc.  If I want to attack it, I can use any kind of targeting system because of its multiple signatures.  Simalirly, it is easy to target and ignore/capture/discard a multi-color character.

On the other hand, if I want to be protected from it, it is very difficult.  Sure I'm protected from its 24" guns but then it shoots missiles at me.  I submerge my ship to protect me from missiles but then it launches torpedos at me.  In comparison, immunity may protect me from their blue, purple, and green weapons but he then uses a gold weapon and I'm done for. 
What color are the ship's offense numbers?  If I am immune to blue, am I not immune to the character that is blue?
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Re: Ignores and Dual-Color Characters
« Reply #36 on: September 05, 2008, 04:34:24 PM »
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Well, analogies aren't perfect. 

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What color are the ship's offense numbers?

I guess I wouldn't see the numbers as having a color.  The character has numbers and the character has brigade colors.  The character is not defined by but possesses different qualities like numbers, brigade color, and special abilities.   

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If I am immune to blue, am I not immune to the character that is blue?

It could be seen that way;  I think it is when talking about things like "I am immune to humans so I'm immune to the character that is human".  I see a difference in that brigade color is more like something that the character belongs to and not the character itself.  another example -

I happen to be a secret agent from the USA and I find the bad guy I'm looking for.  I have all the weapons and I'm ready to take him out.  I call my boss to confirm the order to kill.  My boss responds with "I'm sorry but he just acquired diplomatic immunity with us.  You can't touch him".  I still have all the weapons but I'm not allowed to use them (as a USA agent).  I also happen to be a British agent so I call my British boss.  He tells me that the bad guy made a deal with some of their law enforcement in exchange for protection.  So as a British agent, I still can't touch him.  I'm frustrated so I finally call my Nepalese boss.  He says that they have no agreements with this guy so as far as their concerned go ahead.  So under Nepalese orders I take down the bad guy.

Having diplomatic/legal immunity from one country doesn't protect you from being targeted by others.  Other types of immunity, like being immune to humans, are more like being immune to little girls.  It doesn't matter what nationality(brigade color) you are, I'm still immune to little girls.
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