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Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« on: January 08, 2009, 09:54:11 PM »
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So I understand from satan's seat that a heroes own special ability protection is negated (like chenaniah)...
What happens when an Attacker has zerub's temple in play along with alter o incense activated.... Attacker's zerub temple priest (protected like crazy) is making a rescue attempt and the defender has satan's seat on a single color site?
Does satan's seat negate the protection granted on a hero by the fort (z temple) and artifact (alter o incense)?
I hope it does.

These are more gameplay questions--
I haven't seen many people play satan's seat-(maybe I need to play more), but is that because Dragonraid easily discards it? I would guess the satan's seat user would put pergamum in his deck to protect it from that? I don't know-I like the art on the card, wasn't it the sinful kingdom art? I like the card idea but I don't like how it is so easily discarded by a card almost everyone includes in their deck (dragonraid).



Chenaniah
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: White • Ability: 11 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect your Musicians from the special ability on the next evil Enhancement played this battle. May band to a Musician. • Attributes: Levite, Musician, Israelite • Identifiers: OT Male Human, Musician (Israel),

Satan's Seat
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Place on your single-color Site to negate all protect abilities on opponent’s Heroes. If a Hero rescues a Lost Soul from that Site, discard that Hero. Play As: Place on your single-color Site to negate all protect abilities on opponent’s Heroes. Discard all Heroes that rescue a Lost Soul from that Site.

Zerubbabel’s Temple
Type: Fortress • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect your Zerubbabel’s Temple Priests from capture, conversion, and removal from the game. Only one good Temple or Tabernacle may be in a player’s territory. • Identifiers: Holds one Temple artifact, except Ark of the Covenant and Tables of the Law

Altar of Incense
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect O.T. Heroes from discard abilities on evil Enhancements. • Identifiers: OT, Tabernacle Item, Temple Item

Dragon Raid
Type: Site • Brigade: Multicolor • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard all evil cards in one site (not Lost Souls).

Pergamum
Type: Site • Brigade: Purple • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: While this Site is occupied, DragonRaid cannot enter battle. •

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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2009, 10:08:38 PM »
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Altar of incense would protect Chenenaiah.
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2009, 10:10:51 PM »
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The protects still work and as long as Pergamum is empty D-Raid can come in
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2009, 10:14:51 PM »
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The special ability on Satan's Seat says "negate all protect abilities on opponent's Heroes", so protect abilities on artifacts and fortresses aren't affected.

However, I too have been surprised at how little I see site decks using Satan's Seat. It seems like an extremely useful addition, and yet nobody uses it. :dunno:
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2009, 10:24:05 PM »
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Quote from: Tsavong Lah on January 08, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
The special ability on Satan's Seat says "negate all protect abilities on opponent's Heroes", so protect abilities on artifacts and fortresses aren't affected.

However, I too have been surprised at how little I see site decks using Satan's Seat. It seems like an extremely useful addition, and yet nobody uses it. :dunno:
Site decks aren't supposed to let heroes rescue. The whole point is to shut them out.
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 10:25:30 PM »
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Quote from: fireninja on January 08, 2009, 10:08:38 PM
Altar of incense would protect Chenenaiah.

How would Altar of Incense protect Chenenaiah from Stan's Seat? Stan's Seat is not an enhancement.

Altar of Incense
Type: Artifact • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect O.T. Heroes from discard abilities on evil Enhancements. • Identifiers: OT, Tabernacle Item, Temple Item

Quote from: fireninja on January 08, 2009, 10:24:05 PM
Site decks aren't supposed to let heroes rescue. The whole point is to shut them out.

I dunno, but discarding all their heroes can shut them out also.   ;D


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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2009, 10:26:01 PM »
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Site decks aren't supposed to let heroes rescue. The whole point is to shut them out.

Hmm, true. Nonetheless, not all site decks can lock you out all the time, right from the get-go, and having an extra way to kill off access heroes seems useful.
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2009, 10:29:05 PM »
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Haha, Godspeed is right, it only protects from enhancements. Chen dies.  ;D
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2009, 10:34:15 PM »
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Now using House of Eleazar Priests with Covenant of Phinehas active, that's a different story.

Covenant with Phinehas
Type: Covenant • Brigade: Teal • Ability: 2 / 5 • Class: None • Special Ability: Protect your Priests from the house of Eleazar from discard abilities on evil cards. • Identifiers: OT • Verse: Numbers 25:13


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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2009, 10:35:09 PM »
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Quote from: Tsavong Lah on January 08, 2009, 10:14:51 PM
The special ability on Satan's Seat says "negate all protect abilities on opponent's Heroes", so protect abilities on artifacts and fortresses aren't affected.

OK, so the protection granted to the heroes via artifact/fortress is NOT negated by satan's seat, correct? Hm, that's disappointing-the card would be more useful if it could negate the art/fort, especially as a good counter to z temple, in the same set no less.

However, I too have been surprised at how little I see site decks using Satan's Seat. It seems like an extremely useful addition, and yet nobody uses it. :dunno:

hm..(thinking outloud) maybe because it can't do anything against it's archenemy of protection (widely used and very effective z temple) according to the statement above...plus it's so easily discarded by dragonraid which is almost a staple in many decks?  :-\
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #10 on: January 09, 2009, 09:38:50 AM »
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Satan's Seat discards heroes.  Z-temple doesn't protect from discard.  Therefore, I don't think Z-temple has anything to do with whether people play Satan's Seat.  Covenant of Phineas would stop it, but that is only going to be in Teal decks.

As for being discarded by Dragon Raid, that is really not a problem at all.  Besides Perg keeping DR from even being used, there are also sites in almost every color that protect the evil cards in them from DR.  Just put Satan's Seat on those and you're fine.

So why doesn't it get used?  I think that site lockout in general is down this year.  There are just too many ways now to create LSs.  Hopper LS, A-Slave, Harvest Time, Revealer LS, Seeker, Malchus, Pot's Wife, etc.  These are all commonly used cards, and all put LSs in your opponent's LoB during a time when they can't put them into a site before you attack.
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2009, 01:55:26 PM »
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Quote from: slugfencer on January 08, 2009, 09:54:11 PM
I haven't seen many people play satan's seat-(maybe I need to play more), but is that because Dragonraid easily discards it? I would guess the satan's seat user would put pergamum in his deck to protect it from that?

I used Stan's Seat in pretty much every deck I built in the three to four months after it came out. It seems like it should be such an awesome card. Unfortunately, it just doesn't play very well. Despite my stubborn nature, I was forced to admit that the downsides of playing SS far outweighed its upside.

First, you can't place SS in territory and move it when a site becomes available. That tends to make it a hand clogger.

Second, DR kills it. Pergamum prevents DR from entering battle, but only if Pergamum is occupied. There are anti-DR discard sites in most brigades, but they are limited by the one per 50 rule. So just worrying about DR makes the hand-clogging nature of SS even worse.

Next, once you get it out it's easy to get rid of even if you stop DR. Anything that steals/discards/buries a site gets rid of SS. Buh-bye and thanks for playing.
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Re: Satan's Seat vs. Zerubbabel's Temple
« Reply #12 on: January 12, 2009, 08:56:48 PM »
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MMMm-good feedback. I still like the picture on SS! Thanks guys!
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