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Newbie’s here from the Dominican Republic (Caribbean Island Region? – LOL) – Group of us are having fun with Redemption and really want to play correctly and simulate tournament play so when we are in the U.S. we can come to an event and be up to speed with the basic’s - however we really don’t know for sure the answer’s to the following questions:

1 DEFENDER’S CHOICE T1 QUESTION

1.)   T1 play is  “defender’s choice”– If the defender has multiple souls in there LoB including the Lady only LS  and you make a rescue with John can he then choose the Lady only soul making your R A a battle challenge?    Thus forcing one with the LS soul to pretty much come out with a Lady Hero everytime? 

Currently we are not forcing the BC which makes our decks a bit more balanced rather than lady heavy. 

2 DECK QUESTIONS

2.)   Are there any special rules in regards to T1 (non-team) tournament multiplayer games (Does this even exsist?) vs. 1vs1 tournament play? 

3.)   Do T1 multiplayer tournament games still use the same T1 deck rules?  Do most T1 players play with 56 cards in Tournaments, how bout multiplayer game’s – more cards?

3 DOMINATE  QUESTIONS
4.)  Have a problem with last part of d. on the Overview of a Turn in the Online Reg it states –

a.   You may begin a rescue attempt or battle challenge by placing a Hero into the Field of Battle. If you make a rescue attempt or battle challenge, go to step b. Otherwise, skip to the Discard Phase.
b.   Your opponent may block your Hero by placing an Evil Character into the Field of Battle.
c.     Check for initiative. The player with initiative may play an enhancement (or pass if allowed). Repeat this step as necessary.
d. Resolve the rescue attempt or battle challenge (battle resolution). Note that Dominant cards cannot be played here.   

You can’t play Son of God after all the good and evil enhancements have been played so as to prevent your opponent from rescuing a lost soul?  We thought Dominantes could be thrown at anytime?  Help us understand the Reg’s thinking on d. 

5.)   This Dominant Reg has us thinking – What happens if someone plays wrath of Satan or Confussion and then the AofTL is played – our thought was confusion still activates and WoS ends in a stalemate if  no other Doms are played?  How does this d. section in the Reg come into play here? 

6.) Recruiting Officer (Ki) – makes a RA and then Christian Martyr is played – is Recruiting Officer discarded or due to defeat placed in the opponent’s LofB?  We are discarding him with the thought being Dom>Character

Recruiting Officer - Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Red • Ability: 6 / 4 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Hero has access to any Site. If defeated, place in opponent's Land of Bondage. Hero is treated as a Lost Soul.    
Martyr - Type: Grim Reaper • Brigade: None • Ability: None • Class: None • Special Ability: Discard any Hero in play.

Really cool to talk to someone so quick - thanks!!  Very Encouraging!!
 
1.  Excellent - this is the way we are playing it!

Key - Your opponent cannot block you out by just having one LS you cannot access.  Redoubter your a walking rule book of shining light - wish that would have been a bit clearer in the Reg - but we are learning to write down all these equations on a piece of paper so as to remember them all - mine currently looks like a study sheet for a major exam - LOL!!

2.  Great - we were letting the one with the most souls - choose who went first and then the next player drew 3 - We will get that changed starting tomorrow.

3.  Great - Our group enjoy's Multiplayer T1 games more than 1vs1 - seems like we have more strategy going on.  No one has tried a 150 card deck though - that should be interesting. 

4. & 5. Excellent - we had it right - and are now forgetting the d. section in the Reg. unless someone plays Enlightenment from on High (just joking) - that section had several of us very confused. 

NEW QUESTION in regards to the recent rule change - Does the knew rule of "only rescue Lost Souls in your opponent's Land of Bondage" apply to the New Jerusalem Dom too when played with the SoG?

6.  We have one player that is really going to like this ruling - I'd been ruling against him (Ooops) and I'll check back in from time to on the definition of "defeated"

P.S. - King of Tar and PoW works against Recruiting Officer correct?   

Thank you Aggie!   I had forgotten what that section applied to

On being a walking rulebook, a lot of people on here are much more knowledgeable than I am.  You just asked questions I can answer and I happen to be up far too late tonight

It'll just take some time to learn the rules and catch up to the current rulings.  You'll also have to get used to the debates on the rules, as Redemption has grown and changed a lot over the years, and some rules will be less clear.  I didn't think I'd get used to it, but a year or so later I'm getting into it

NEW QUESTION in regards to the recent rule change - Does the knew rule of "only rescue Lost Souls in your opponent's Land of Bondage" apply to the New Jerusalem Dom too when played with the SoG?

6.  We have one player that is really going to like this ruling - I'd been ruling against him (Ooops) and I'll check back in from time to on the definition of "defeated"

P.S. - King of Tar and PoW works against Recruiting Officer correct?   

Yes, you can only rescue with anything from opponents LoB.  It used to apply only to heroes, but the rules have changed to include dominants.

On your P.S., that would be yes and then no.  King of Tyrus (I think that's who you meant?) negates the special ability on Recruiting Officer.  Basically, it never happened.  If he is defeated now, that means he does not go to the LoB.  However, if PoW means Prince of this World, he does not negate the ability.  Being immune to a hero does not stop his ability, it just stops the hero from harming him.  If he beats the hero, the special ability still happens.


If you do come to an event here, I would try to find someone to sit down with you and explain a lot of the nuances to you.  I doubt you'll be coming up to the Maryland area, but if you do, just send me a message

Until then, just let us know when you have questions   Read through the REG, it has most of the answers, and come here with the rest.

On 4, you can't play dominants once you've reached d).  There are some enhancements that immediately end the battle, forcing it into d), so you can't play Martyr/Burial/etc to stop the Rescue Attempt at that point.  Under normal circumstances, you can just the play the dominants in c), before you move to d).

Conceding a battle (via numbers) also moves the battle into d).  If your opponent just has bigger numbers than you can hope to match, discarding your characters moves the battle into d) - so you'd need to play dominants before discarding your characters, although I think most people would let it slide in most scenarios.  There are some cards where your opponent can force you to block with one of their characters, usually small enough that they'd win the battle easily.  You can't concede the battle to get rid of the EC and then play CM to get rid of the hero - you have to CM first, so the EC would survive.

Everything Aggie said is correct.  Just to repeat one item for emphasis...

Conceding the battle occurs *only* when you discard your character by the numbers. If your character is discarded by a special ability you may still play a Dominant. Example--if you are blocking and your opponent plays Angel of the Lord to discard your blocker, you may still play Christian Martyr to prevent the lost soul from being rescued.

Quote from: Soundman2 on March 21, 2012, 01:30:07 AM

Just a note the new SoG rule is on a trial basis right now and may change back.

That's not necessarily true.  It's not a 'trial basis' if it's being used at Nationals.  He only said that it might change back depending on what he saw of the consequences, but I would doubt that it returns to the old rules.

I was Just saying it could change back.  As fair as I see it that is a trial basis if it works, it work if not it goes back.  Need less to say I can see it going back.

Thank you.

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Need less to say I can see it going back.

We should start a petition. All in favor?

I have a serious question: Why bring your gripe with the new rule into a discussion of rules?  This thread has been made by a new player to help get some clarification on questions they have in their play-group.  This is in the Rulings Question board. Please keep your posts to that and discussion of opinions on the recent changes to appropriate threads in appropriate forums.

Thank you.