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Ignore abilities
« on: April 02, 2012, 10:23:49 PM »
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If a hero ignores a blocker that blocker can the blocker play a immune card to stop it?

If a hero's SA ignores the blocker and the blocker's SA ignores the hero which takes precedent?

Zeb's ignore abilitiy stops my opponent from presenting any EC with toughness greater than the cards in my hand as the first blocker right?
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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #1 on: April 02, 2012, 10:35:52 PM »
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1. An active ignore takes precedent over anything played after it (unless you interrupt/negate the ignore, of course). So, no, you couldn't successfully block by playing an immune-granting enhancement.

2. The ignore that was active first (most likely the hero) takes precedent.

3. That is correct.

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #2 on: April 02, 2012, 10:56:42 PM »
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You can actually have a stalemate by mutual immunity, which Ignore grants in-battle, so you're two first cases would be that they could use immunity.  To quote Prof from a similar recent thread:

Yes. PG is immune to the battle-winning part of the ignore, but the immune part of the ignore will work as well, which will cause a stalemate by mutual immunity.

There is no taking precedence, it is a mutual immunity stalemate.

For number three, yes, Ignore restricts those EC from entering the field of battle.

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2012, 09:29:45 AM »
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If a hero ignores a blocker that blocker can the blocker play a immune card to stop it?

If a hero's SA ignores the blocker and the blocker's SA ignores the hero which takes precedent?

Zeb's ignore abilitiy stops my opponent from presenting any EC with toughness greater than the cards in my hand as the first blocker right?

In question 2, the blocker would not be able to enter battle if he was being ignored before he entered.
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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2012, 12:32:47 PM »
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@Redoubter - If an ignore is active first, it doesn't matter if you gain immunity to the ignore because they're already walking around you.  If the immunity is active first, then yes it would work against an ignore played after it.

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2012, 04:13:20 PM »
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@Redoubter - If an ignore is active first, it doesn't matter if you gain immunity to the ignore because they're already walking around you.  If the immunity is active first, then yes it would work against an ignore played after it.

This has been the precedent for this ruling, for a long time.  But I cannot recall why.  Does it have something to do with the ignoring character not being able to be targeted by the immune ability?
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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2012, 04:30:08 PM »
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@Redoubter - If an ignore is active first, it doesn't matter if you gain immunity to the ignore because they're already walking around you.  If the immunity is active first, then yes it would work against an ignore played after it.

This has been the precedent for this ruling, for a long time.  But I cannot recall why.  Does it have something to do with the ignoring character not being able to be targeted by the immune ability?

It has to do with the fact that the character is pretty much just pretending you don't exist, he/she doesn't care if your immune to them they aren't acknowledging your existence anymore.

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2012, 04:32:24 PM »
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Immune targets the card(s) gaining immunity. Ignore (one part of it, at least) targets the card being ignored. If you're immune to me, I can't target you to ignore you, but I still get the "you can't touch me either" portion of ignore. On the flip side and I'm ignoring you first, you can gain immunity but I'm already walking around you so it doesn't change anything (since I'm not hurting you anyway).

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2012, 06:53:23 PM »
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Does anyone know where this ruling resides?  Because I did a couple of searches before responding to this thread and could find nothing.

I can understand the logic, but I'm not quite following some of it just based on the rules.  Thought exercise:  What if I were to interrupt the Ignore and become immune to the character (or whatever is causing it) during that interrupt?  In that case, I should not be 'walked past', correct?

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2012, 07:26:44 PM »
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If the REG was working for me, I could check for you, but alas it is not so I am unable.

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2012, 07:30:59 PM »
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If the REG was working for me, I could check for you, but alas it is not so I am unable.

Yeah, I noticed that, had to copy Ignore abilities from an old post of mine when I responded to a different thread....

I do know that I have seen nothing in there to indicate it works either way, I see no precedence except for the Stalemate By Immunity, which seems to say differently than the apparent consensus.  When it's back up, can someone help make more sense of this issue?

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2012, 07:34:55 PM »
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The only thing I have to go on at this point is the Cheat Sheet that I made awhile ago (and updated a few times). In the battle outcome section, for the Ignore vs. Immunity scenario, I have listed: "If the immunity was active first, ignoring the immune character results in a stalemate (as neither can affect the other). If the ignore was active first, the outcome follows normal ignore rules."

I don't remember where I got this from (though the only sources I used were the Rulebook, the REG, and official Elder rulings), but it was approved by an Elder before I made it available to the public, so it was correct at the time (and I don't remember seeing anything since that reversed this particular decision).

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2012, 03:18:50 PM »
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Hey,

The following is from the most recent draft of the REG I have access to.

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An ignore ability has four parts:
(1) it grants the ignoring card immunity to all cards being ignored
(2) it grants the ignored cards immunity to the ignoring card
(3) characters not in battle and ignored cannot enter battle (i.e., you cannot choose to bring them into battle and they cannot be targeted by an ability that would bring them into battle)
(4) characters already in battle and ignored are treated as though they were not in battle for purposes of determining battle outcome

An ignore ability is ongoing.  Part (1) above targets the cards that gain the ignore status.  Parts (2) and (4) above target the cards that are ignored.  Part (3) above has no target.

Playing an immune ability after an ignore is pointless, because it's redundant to part (2) of ignore.

But playing an immune ability before an ignore stops part (4) from targeting you.  It doesn't stop part (1) and part (2) in then redundant to the immune ability.  So you end up with mutual immunity if immune is followed by an ignore.

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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2012, 03:56:48 PM »
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Hey,

The following is from the most recent draft of the REG I have access to.

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An ignore ability has four parts:
(1) it grants the ignoring card immunity to all cards being ignored
(2) it grants the ignored cards immunity to the ignoring card
(3) characters not in battle and ignored cannot enter battle (i.e., you cannot choose to bring them into battle and they cannot be targeted by an ability that would bring them into battle)
(4) characters already in battle and ignored are treated as though they were not in battle for purposes of determining battle outcome

An ignore ability is ongoing.  Part (1) above targets the cards that gain the ignore status.  Parts (2) and (4) above target the cards that are ignored.  Part (3) above has no target.

Playing an immune ability after an ignore is pointless, because it's redundant to part (2) of ignore.

But playing an immune ability before an ignore stops part (4) from targeting you.  It doesn't stop part (1) and part (2) in then redundant to the immune ability.  So you end up with mutual immunity if immune is followed by an ignore.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I am assuming this would hold true if you interrupted the ignore and then became Immune, correct?
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Re: Ignore abilities
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2012, 05:18:31 PM »
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If you interrupted an ignore and activated an immune ability it would turn into a stalemate by mutual immunity because the immunity would be the "first active" ability as it is there when the ignore resumes.

 


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