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I thought before entering this discussion that the only reason the weapon is discarded is because if you put a person in jail they cant keep a weapon.
"Captured heroes cant be targeted as Hero's but they are still heroes". What's wrong with that?
Do you understand why a "captured hero in raiders camp isn't a hero or character" rule can be confusing? When I go to the zoo and look at an elephant your telling me it's not an elephant? See what I mean?
When I go to the zoo and look at an elephant your telling me it's not an elephant? See what I mean?
Except all of our cards say "Hero" and creating a supercategory of Hero would mean that either all of those cards could target into Raider's Camp or two weeks from now we'll have ten more threads talking about how confusing it is to say "Hero" and expect people to know you actually meant only the uncaptured variety.
No it won't because we would still refer to them as captured heroes if we want to talk about them.
Even though the hero is captured there is still a hero under there beneath everything, you cant target it as a hero but it still is a hero.
Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 13, 2008, 10:30:39 PMNo it won't because we would still refer to them as captured heroes if we want to talk about them.I'm referring to saying "Hero" when you mean "uncaptured Hero"QuoteEven though the hero is captured there is still a hero under there beneath everything, you cant target it as a hero but it still is a hero.If it's a Hero, why could you not target it as a Hero? Why does it have to be called a Hero at all just for the sake of naming it? That makes no sense. I keep asking you this and I don't understand why you refuse to answer this very fundamental question.
You cant target it as a "hero" because it is a "captured hero".
If you understand that the captured hero is a still a hero than everyones good to go.
If if the hero in raiders camp isn't a hero how can raiders camp release "all Heroes to owners territory"?
Quote from: TheHobbit13 on September 14, 2008, 11:10:46 AMYou cant target it as a "hero" because it is a "captured hero".That's what I've been telling you for pages now, but you still want to call it a "Hero". If a "captured Hero" is a "Hero" then you can target it with cards that say "Hero". What you have not told me yet, so now I'm asking you for the fourth time, why these cards HAVE TO STILL BE HEROES. Please please please answer that question for me. Please.
These have to still be Heroes because it makes sense to call John Mcain not a hero when he was captured in Veitnam seems strange.
If a prisonar is capture in war he is still human, he is what every he is.
Why does losing the priveledges of a hero make someone not a hero anymore?
A captured hero is a hero AND a captured hero, you cant target it because the target cant get through the first barrier ,captured hero.
The fact that a "captured hero" has the word hero in it's name is proof that it is still a hero, it is just captured.
Captured characters placed in a fortress (e.g., Raiders’ Camp or Tartaros). are not treated as Lost Souls because they are not in the Land of Bondage nor are they treated as regular characters. Rather, they are treated as captured characters. Captured heroes in a fortress are not subject to any effects that specify Heroes, Evil Characters, or Lost Souls (e.g., Band, Discard or Remove, or rescue). Cards that target all cards (e.g., A New Beginning), captured Heroes (e.g., Military Escort or Lamb’s Righteousness), or captured Evil Characters (e.g., Satan Released) can effect captured characters in a fortress.
There is no rule added we just have different conclusions taken from the phrase "captured hero".
Not to interject where I shouldn't, but do you honestly think there's "no rule" about whether captured characters are still characters?QuoteCaptured characters placed in a fortress (e.g., Raiders’ Camp or Tartaros). are not treated as Lost Souls because they are not in the Land of Bondage nor are they treated as regular characters. Rather, they are treated as captured characters. Captured heroes in a fortress are not subject to any effects that specify Heroes, Evil Characters, or Lost Souls (e.g., Band, Discard or Remove, or rescue). Cards that target all cards (e.g., A New Beginning), captured Heroes (e.g., Military Escort or Lamb’s Righteousness), or captured Evil Characters (e.g., Satan Released) can effect captured characters in a fortress.
It's under Battle Resolution in the rulebook. Win the battle and have access to a Lost Soul.
