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If Foreign wives protection is eventually permanently ruled to be dynamic, what happens with Throne of David?

TToD is in play I make an RA with King Amaziah (having only drawn for initial 3). Foreign Wives Blocks triggering Throne.

I Draw 7 and play Valley of Salt and target FW all off of thrones ability. Does wives get discarded/under decked or does her constant checking occur prior to Throne and Valley completing?

I understand that dynamic abilities are constantly checking but I don't see how she could check in the middle of throne and then valley completing.

Any thoughts?

Why would wives be ruled dynamic. Only X abilities are dynamic.

Quote from: Red on February 19, 2014, 02:31:43 PM

Why would wives be ruled dynamic. Only X abilities are dynamic.

Currently she is dynamic although I believe there is some conversation about it happening amongst the elders. Right now I believe it's Been ruled by 2 elders to be dynamic.

I've heard nothing but static. Earley ruled Static when it came out along with several others.

It's not hard to see how it is constantly checking I don't think. It's continuous checking so it checks at every instantaneous moment. That means in between abilities too if necessary.

Not that I don't trust Stup I'm just curious if this is correct?

Quote from: CJSports on February 19, 2014, 01:43:15 PM

It's not hard to see how it is constantly checking I don't think. It's continuous checking so it checks at every instantaneous moment. That means in between abilities too if necessary.

Not that I don't trust Stup I'm just curious if this is correct?

I wasn't saying I was correct and I'm not sure I even agree with it, I'm just able to see is from the dynamic perspective. lol

X abilities aren't necessarily dynamic in and of themselves either (the X is but the ability isn't automatically). X in a strength or toughness updates, yeah, but if an instant ability (such as Susanna) has an X you don't go back and reveal more or less if X changes later. If X is paired with an ongoing ability then it would be dynamic.

I feel like Redemption currently has some inconsistencies in how grammar is used/applied/defined. In general, an "if" is usually a one-time check (especially in coding) whereas a "while" is constantly checking based on a certain condition. The confusion comes when an "if" is used with an ongoing ability (like Wives' protection).

Wives and Zebulun are not good comparisons because their dynamic/static-ness is located in different places. With Wives, the question is whether her ability can be off and then suddenly turn on later; Zebulun is on or off based on a static condition (if all your heroes in play are Genesis) and the dynamic nature comes from the amount that the ignore is based on. If you really wanted to compare Zebulun to Wives you should ask whether Zeb's controller putting a non-Genesis Hero into play during battle will turn his ignore off. Based on the fact that Zebulun is an "if" I'd say it should only check once (when he activates) and then either be on or off for the rest of that battle based on that, which is also the basis of my opinion on Wives, that her protect either activates or it doesn't and drawing later shouldn't change that.

Especially considering Wives specifies "If opponent has drawn" which is clearly a past tense reference and not an ongoing condition. *instaposted on this last point by rc777*

If Zebulun instead said "while all your Heroes in play are Genesis Heroes" then I would agree with you because it's actively checking the condition, but since it uses "if" wording I think it makes more sense (grammatically) to be a one-time check. That may not have been how Zebulun was intended to work when he was created, but I personally feel that keeping things consistent to general grammatical rules as much as possible will make the game more consistent overall and create less confusion about how to read cards and properly activate their effects.

*shakes fist at phrases like "Cannot be negated" and "First strike" being treated as "sentences"*