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7 Sons are not being discarded, they're going into the discard pile by other means. Hormah and Torment don't honor being exchanged into the pile, they need to be a target of discard by special ability or game rule (losing battle, reaching */0, etc.).

Maybe, but only if the Demon exchanged for was on the top of the Discard Pile.

Quote from: REG

Discard is removing a card from its current location and placing it face up on the top of the discard pile. A card may be dis­carded from a player’s hand, draw pile, set-aside area, or Field of Play.

Based on this quote, I think 7 Sons is discarded, and it would trigger Hormah.

Tim is correct.  This has been ruled on before.

Prof, where did you find that REG quote?  It seems to me like you're trying to compare apples and oranges here.  SSoS is an exchange card.  Nothing about it is discarded when the SA is used.

That is the definition of discard from the Glossary in the rulebook.

It is indeed the definition of discard.  And if something fits the definition of discard, then it should be considered discarded (even if what caused it to happen is an exchange).

I don't really care about this ruling, so if Schaef or Bryon want to go the other way with it, then I won't fight for it.  But I think an intuitive reading of the glossary would indicate that my interpretation is possible.

banding doesnt require you to put something in the discard pile.

Quote from: Master KChief on July 01, 2009, 11:11:14 PM

banding doesnt require you to put something in the discard pile.

It seems like you have nothing better to do that harras The Schaef on any thread that he posts.  Seriously, how does your comment add to this discussion?

are you serious? im trying to draw a parallel here because im honestly not seeing one. banding doesnt equal discarding, natch. dont be so quick to judge someones motives when i made a perfectly legitimate assertion.

Quote from: Master KChief on July 01, 2009, 11:11:14 PM

banding doesnt require you to put something in the discard pile.

hahaha.. that doesn't even make sense. definitely a misrepresentation of everything that was said.

feel free to prove to me how banding does equal discarding.

Your reputation precedes you.  If you hadn't harassed him many times before I wouldn't just assume you're doing it again.

subjective...i could easily say he harasses me. i've already stated i made an honest comment. furthermore, i dont have to prove my motives to you or anyone else. enough digressing. moving on.

The point of his statement is that Redemption special abilities are categorized.  Exchange is no more a discard ability than it is a banding ability or an ignore ability or a set aside ability.  Just because the card ends up in the discard pile doesn't mean it was discarded unless it got there by means of a discard ability.

thank you for clearing that up. even so, ssos falls under the stipulations prof supplied by definition of discard. personally, i think if you satisfy those conditions, then it is legitimately 'discard' as well as 'exchange'...no one said it has to be exclusive from the other.

So then would a character who is exchanged with a set-aside character have been set-aside? So would Watcher shuffle a Seven Wicked Spirits who was exchanged for another set-aside character and then came back to territory? SWS was in set-aside area, but was never technically set aside, just as SSoS was never technically discarded. Perhaps it is a different scenario, but it is an interesting point of note.


Seven Wicked Spirits
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Orange • Ability: 7 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: You may interrupt all Fortresses and exchange this Evil Character with any other Evil Character in play or set-aside area. • Identifiers: Generic NT Male Demon • Verse: Luke 11:26 • Availability: Faith of Fathers (Set 8 )


Watcher
Type: Hero Char. • Brigade: Silver • Ability: 4 / 7 • Class: None • Special Ability: If an Evil Character was or is currently set-aside, shuffle that Evil Character back into Owner's draw pile. Discard the set-aside card. • Identifiers: Generic OT Male Angel, Prophet • Verse: Daniel 4:23 • Availability: Patriarchs booster packs (Uncommon)

I'm not too sure about it either, but since several cards can return a character from set-aside area, I decided to avoid that question for this thread.

Hey,

So then would a character who is exchanged with a set-aside character have been set-aside? So would Watcher shuffle a Seven Wicked Spirits who was exchanged for another set-aside character and then came back to territory? SWS was in set-aside area, but was never technically set aside, just as SSoS was never technically discarded. Perhaps it is a different scenario, but it is an interesting point of note.

Seven Wicked Spirits was not set-aside, but it was in the set-aside area.  Which makes the question tricky because it's not clear to me if "is currently set-aside" means "is currently in the set-aside area" or "is currently being affected by a set-aside card."  The last sentence of Watcher suggests to me that it means the latter of the two options so Watcher could not affect Seven Wicked Spirits.

Also, I don't recall if a verdict was ever reached, if 7WS switches for an Evil Character that gains a counter each turn (eg. Large Tree), does 7WS gain the counters in place or does it reach a standstill with 7WS just chilling with the set aside enhancement, doing nothing?

In that sort of situation the set-aside enhancement is discarded when the character it was originally set aside with leaves the set-aside area.  Seven Wicked Spirits then is just chilling in the set-aside area not under the effect of any set-aside card and can be brought back to the players territory by game rule during any of their preparation phases.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

I would say yes, And actually With Kerith Ravine it is possible to have a character in set-aside without a Set-Aside card. Because you can bring that character from KR back at any time I would say 7WS, not under any set-aside card could come back during any prep phase.