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Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« on: August 21, 2012, 11:09:42 PM »
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If I rescue with Jacob (band to silver) + my opponent's Angel under the Oak (exchange for gold judge in territory) and then exchange for my judge in territory, what happens after battle?

Do I keep AutO or Moses?

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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #1 on: August 21, 2012, 11:13:44 PM »
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This has come up several times and I believe the consesus was that you control AutO and your opponent controls the judge after battle.
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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2012, 11:14:42 PM »
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disagee i think its other way i think all cards return to original owners
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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2012, 11:19:23 PM »
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AutO goes to you, Moses goes to your opponent. An exchange ability between two cards controlled by different people swaps the permanent control of those two cards; so once the exchange happens, AutO is under your permanent control, and Moses is under your temporary control (but your opponents permanent control). Now, I know the next comment will be, where are permanent and temporary control defined? The answer is that I don't know if they are, but what I posted has been understood ever since the Wanderer LS came out (I think that was the first Exchange ability). I think Redemption was the first card that allowed you to take permanent control of another player's character, but I don't think I've ever seen that used.

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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2012, 11:26:58 PM »
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Thanks guys.
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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #5 on: August 22, 2012, 12:25:21 AM »
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To add onto what Prof A said, when I brought this up at Nats to have it ruled, it was also decided that in a case where a duplicate would be created by this scenario (band to their AuTO, exchange for your Samuel, opponent already has Samuel in his territory), the duplicate (yours) would be discarded by game rule after battle.  Since there is nothing to restrict the exchange when it happens, but it has to be returned after battle by game rule, it creates one of those now-rare cases when duplicates can exist.  The one originally there (their own Samuel already sitting in territory) stays, and yours would be discarded.

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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #6 on: August 22, 2012, 12:26:53 AM »
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To add onto what Prof A said, when I brought this up at Nats to have it ruled, it was also decided that in a case where a duplicate would be created by this scenario (band to their AuTO, exchange for your Samuel, opponent already has Samuel in his territory), the duplicate (yours) would be discarded by game rule after battle.  Since there is nothing to restrict the exchange when it happens, but it has to be returned after battle by game rule, it creates one of those now-rare cases when duplicates can exist.  The one originally there (their own Samuel already sitting in territory) stays, and yours would be discarded.

Are you the person who approached me about that? Man, I wish I would have connected your face to your board name at the time. :(

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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #7 on: August 22, 2012, 12:45:57 AM »
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Are you the person who approached me about that? Man, I wish I would have connected your face to your board name at the time. :(

'Twas!  Sorry, I lost track of who I introduced myself to, and most people put the "Great Dayne" to my avatar, so sorry about that ;)

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Re: Jacob to Opponent's AutO to my Judge
« Reply #8 on: August 22, 2012, 01:20:37 AM »
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Some how i knew who u were wierd
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