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Homemade legality
« on: June 13, 2011, 04:13:43 PM »
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If I create my own cards using any of the templates on this site am I allowed to play them at a tournament?
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #1 on: June 13, 2011, 04:24:11 PM »
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Nope.  A card is only legal if it's in the REG.  However, you can make alternate art cards and use those.  (though check with the host first)
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #2 on: June 22, 2011, 04:08:54 AM »
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You can make your own cards?

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #3 on: June 22, 2011, 07:54:19 AM »
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You can make your own cards?

Sure you can make them, but you can't use them in a tournament.  I won't even allow alternate art at my tournaments, just the cards that Cactus printed.
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #4 on: June 22, 2011, 10:38:29 AM »
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Personally, I wouldn't mind alternate art as long as they show a copy of the actual card.

You can make your own cards?
If you go to the New Card Ideas, there is a kit there that has stuff to make new cards with.

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2011, 11:02:35 AM »
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How about a host penalizing a person who's late to a round instead of dropping them or delaying the entire tournament in portion to their infraction?

Now use discernment, if its out of their hands, all lanes of traffic are blocked or car trouble verse not setting an alarm are to be treated differently. 

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I really don't like holding back a tournament due to lack of personal responsibility from players.  I don't think its right.

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2011, 11:26:46 AM »
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i...think you're in the wrong thread?

also, there already are penalties in place for late players without dropping them from the tournament.
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2011, 11:30:02 AM »
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i...think you're in the wrong thread?

also, there already are penalties in place for late players without dropping them from the tournament.
True? I know there are penalties for people missing a round at beginning or end, but I am unaware of any rules that covers missing a round in the middle (say getting back from lunch late).

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 01:11:15 PM »
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You can make your own cards?

Sure you can make them, but you can't use them in a tournament.  I won't even allow alternate art at my tournaments, just the cards that Cactus printed.

Agreed.  Only official Cactus Redemption cards are allowed at officially sanctioned Redemption tournaments.  No IFs, ANDs or BUTs.

i...think you're in the wrong thread?

also, there already are penalties in place for late players without dropping them from the tournament.
True? I know there are penalties for people missing a round at beginning or end, but I am unaware of any rules that covers missing a round in the middle (say getting back from lunch late).

Happened to me at 2005 Nats because my finicky daughter couldn't decide what to eat.  I think I scored better by actually missing that round as opposed to playing it.  :D
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 01:13:41 PM »
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Happened to me at 2005 Nats because my finicky daughter couldn't decide what to eat.  I think I scored better by actually missing that round as opposed to playing it.  :D
That's my problem.  The winning team for NE Regionals won due to a bye.  Arriving late is like giving yourself a bye.
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 01:25:48 PM »
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The winning team for NE Regionals won due to a bye.  Arriving late is like giving yourself a bye.
I don't see how this is possible.  Sure you get the victory points for the round, but you get a LS differential of 0.  So anyone else who won that 1st round is ahead of you.  The only way for you to pass them is for all of them to lose a game at some point (because if you're both undefeated you will eventually meet).

Therefore the winning team at NE Regionals won because everyone else lost.

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 01:28:52 PM »
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Yes, and they had one less chance at losing then everyone else.
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 01:43:11 PM »
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Yes, and they had one less chance at losing then everyone else.
I understand that, but I don't like it when people blame refs for losing a football game by a point when their kicker missed 2 field goals.  Their fate was in their own hands, and they missed it.

Similarly I don't like it when people blame an opponent's bye for losing a tournament when they lost to them (or someone else who lost to that opponent).  Their fate was in their own hands as well.

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2011, 01:56:00 PM »
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Even if they make those two field goals and lose by a point due to a bad call their fate was in their own hands. Unless they got a TD every time they had the ball. Even if they did, their fate was in their own hands if they didn't get that TD within seconds of getting possession.

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2011, 02:18:43 PM »
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"Your own fate" may be true in theory, but it really only applies to the overall winner. Second and third place usually come down to LS differential between opponents who never faced each other.

I'm glad others have posted about this (even if it was in the wrong thread). I do not agree with the idea of giving a free victory to someone who shows up late. For mediocre players, there is no incentive to show up on time. A LS differential penalty is not steep enough IMO.

Unfortunately, I know that other alternatives have probably been hashed out with the PTB's already, so this is not a rule that will likely change. It probably has great significance in larger tourneys (like Nats). But at low-level tournaments that only have a few rounds, the Bye for late people should be penalized more significantly.
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2011, 03:15:40 PM »
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Yes, and they had one less chance at losing then everyone else.
I understand that, but I don't like it when people blame refs for losing a football game by a point when their kicker missed 2 field goals.  Their fate was in their own hands, and they missed it.

Similarly I don't like it when people blame an opponent's bye for losing a tournament when they lost to them (or someone else who lost to that opponent).  Their fate was in their own hands as well.

We all need to take responsibility for the things we can control, and not worry about the things we can't.
We did face them, and lost, due to drawing zero EC's, even after two Mayhems.  They had first place in the bag going into the final round, the second place team having a timeout tie.

/Yeah, I know about head-to-head, but still....
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2011, 04:45:56 PM »
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We did face them, and lost, due to drawing zero EC's, even after two Mayhems.
OK, so then you admit that they won because you lost to them.  Sure you could blame it on the bye, or you could blame it on your poor draw (another favorite scapegoat), but when it all comes down to it, they won when they needed to.

But at low-level tournaments that only have a few rounds, the Bye for late people should be penalized more significantly.
Actually I thought that there was already a difference between people who are available to play at a tournament, but were given a bye because they were the random odd person out, and other people who are late and not even available to play yet.

Doesn't the person who gets the "available bye" given 3 victory points + 0 LS differential, while the late person gets the "unavailable bye" and is given 0 victory points + 0 LS differential?

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2011, 04:49:49 PM »
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If you're late and miss a round, you still are considered to have won the round.  Missing additional rounds may change things, but it's still a problem...
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #18 on: July 20, 2011, 01:01:52 AM »
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Actually I thought that there was already a difference between people who are available to play at a tournament, but were given a bye because they were the random odd person out, and other people who are late and not even available to play yet.

Doesn't the person who gets the "available bye" given 3 victory points + 0 LS differential, while the late person gets the "unavailable bye" and is given 0 victory points + 0 LS differential?

If this is true, then I am quite happy. I was not aware of anything other than the 3-point rule.
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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #19 on: July 20, 2011, 09:44:34 AM »
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I actually thought the person with the bye got a -5 LS score.

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Re: Homemade legality
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2011, 11:58:48 AM »
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I actually thought the person with the bye got a -5 LS score.
They used to, but I know for certain that changed.  I think it was a couple years ago.

 


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