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Very good question. My initial guess is "no", beings I'm fairly certain Philosophy is labeled good in t2. I could very well be wrong though.

No.  Philosophy is a neutral card.  It only becomes good or evil when played.

@ sauce, I have never seen anyone count Philosophy as a good card in T2.  It is always neutral

I thought it was simultaneously good and evil while in the deck/discard piles (thus why it counts as "neutral" for t2 building, because it counts for both sides).

If it actually is neutral, then the various "Search for a good enhancement" cards shouldn't be able to grab it, and I've always seen it ruled that they could.

Hey,

At face value Philosophy is Good and Evil.  Yes Holy Unto the Lord would discard it because it is evil.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

A little twist on words i believe. A bible icon IS a good enhancement. Lets not try and confuse the two. Now if this stops ET from getting philosophy then we need to know now because alot of us use that combo.

A covenant is also a "Bible icon" card (similar to the wording on Golgotha that uses Skull Icon to allow for evil enh. AND curses), so it's not really a confusion of the two.

Also, it's already been stated that Philosophy counts as both a good and evil enhancement while in Deck/Discard/Hand.

Quote from: SirNobody on August 04, 2010, 10:14:03 PM

At face value Philosophy is Good and Evil.  Yes Holy Unto the Lord would discard it because it is evil.

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 06, 2010, 09:07:43 AM

... it is simultaneously both Good and Evil for deckbuilding and gameplay purposes.

if u r using this argument then if i defend with zimri can i discard a crimson curse to use his special ability??

Quote from: fyero on August 06, 2010, 11:24:59 AM

if u r using this argument then if i defend with zimri can i discard a crimson curse to use his special ability??

No, because Zimri specifies that you must discard a crimson ehancement.

If it says enhancement, it means enhancement. If it says Bible/Skull icon, it means any card with that kind of icon (being it an enhancement, curse, or covenant).

A Curse from hand CAN be used to satisfy Zimri. This was ruled a long time ago that Curses/Covenants in hand can be targeted by you as either Enh or Artifact from your hand, hand, but as neither (only as a Curse/Evil Card) by your opponent. So Captured Ark would work to satisfy both Zimri and Uzzah's abilities, and are also able to go into Storehouse.

*POOM*. Yes, that was the sound of your mind being blown.

This follows suit with the fact that an angel discarded from hand or draw pile can be put into Chamber of Angels. Basically, a card can be discarded as an angel, therefore a curse can be discarded as an enhancement.

I don't see how that has any relation.

Quote from: Professoralstad on August 06, 2010, 03:21:22 PM

A Curse from hand CAN be used to satisfy Zimri. This was ruled a long time ago that Curses/Covenants in hand can be targeted by you as either Enh or Artifact from your hand, hand, but as neither (only as a Curse/Evil Card) by your opponent. So Captured Ark would work to satisfy both Zimri and Uzzah's abilities, and are also able to go into Storehouse.

*POOM*. Yes, that was the sound of your mind being blown.

Oh really? o.o Wow, learn something new every day. Can enhancement searching abilities grab curses from draw/discard piles, too? For example, can Gabriel discard curses from your opponent's deck?

No, because

but as neither (only as a Curse/Evil Card) by your opponent.

because you can know if it's an enhancement or art in hand but your opponent can't aparently...

No, because

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but as neither (only as a Curse/Evil Card) by your opponent.

because you can know if it's an enhancement or art in hand but your opponent can't aparently...

Well, then can you target them? For example, can Micah target your copy of Covenant with David to shuffle it?

Quote from: Arch Angel on August 06, 2010, 10:59:58 PM

Quote from: Smokey on August 06, 2010, 05:51:51 PM

No, because

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but as neither (only as a Curse/Evil Card) by your opponent.

because you can know if it's an enhancement or art in hand but your opponent can't aparently...

Well, then can you target them? For example, can Micah target your copy of Covenant with David to shuffle it?

Yush, because you choose how to target it.

It depends upon Micah's wording, if Micah says "Shuffle...green Enhancement" then no, because a coventant is a covenant not an enhancement.

Only you can target it as an enhancement, because zimri can discard a curse from hand.

In Zimri's case, you are discarding it as an enhancement, which is akin to playing it as an enhancement.

By "akin," I did not mean "the same." The word "use" is often misinterpreted, so I was trying to make a connection that would help to clarify. However, that was not the case.

Apparently my attempts to clarify lately have been futile. I will stop.