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Offline Alpho

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Chamber of Angels
« on: May 10, 2010, 04:24:11 PM »
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I have a question about Chamber of Angels. I understand that since it is set aside that means that it is not affected by enhancements such as Image of Jealousy and Destructive Sin. However I read a post about Chamber of Angels that says since it is set aside it is also protected from Prince of the Air. Please let me know if this is true or not and if not is there any way to protect your fortresses?

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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2010, 04:25:36 PM »
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POTA specifically targets Chamber regardless of location.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2010, 04:45:10 PM »
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To clarify, POTA was given errata to place it under deck from set aside area.  PotA does NOT place Chamber under deck from opponent's hand or deck.  :)

EDIT: fixed.  Thanks for the catch.  :)
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 07:10:05 PM by Bryon »
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2010, 04:50:10 PM »
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you mean place under deck?
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2010, 06:52:56 PM »
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Quote from: Bryon on May 10, 2010, 04:45:10 PM
To clarify, POTA was given errata to discard it from set aside area.  PotA does NOT discard Chamber from opponent's hand or deck.  :)
To clarify even further. It was stated that PotA would need to be given an errata if it were to target set aside. No such errata was ever actually entered--or there is no written notice of such an errata at any rate. It was stated at the time that it was doubtful that it ever would be given such an errata.

Should such an errata be granted, it would raise the question as to why a Priests' rare would be given an errata to make it play as intended. Especially when similar "play as intended" errata have been refused for other cards including at least one National Promo.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2010, 06:57:49 PM »
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POTA is Orange, a very fun color indeed.
Said Nats promo is green, the color that enjoys breaking the game and making millions of RLKs ragequit every hour.

Now, if you could make a fun, non threatening, card more fun, would you?
If you could, would you make 9001 RLKs ragequit every second by abusing the noobiest color?
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #6 on: May 10, 2010, 07:00:23 PM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on May 10, 2010, 06:52:56 PM
Quote from: Bryon on May 10, 2010, 04:45:10 PM
To clarify, POTA was given errata to discard it from set aside area.  PotA does NOT discard Chamber from opponent's hand or deck.  :)
To clarify even further. It was stated that PotA would need to be given an errata if it were to target set aside. No such errata was ever actually entered--or there is no written notice of such an errata at any rate. It was stated at the time that it was doubtful that it ever would be given such an errata.

Should such an errata be granted, it would raise the question as to why a Priests' rare would be given an errata to make it play as intended. Especially when similar "play as intended" errata have been refused for other cards including at least one National Promo.

true. i would like to see evidence of this errata bryon speaks of. i also recall rob stating errata would only be given to cards to make them weaker, not stronger.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #7 on: May 10, 2010, 07:16:38 PM »
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How does Falling Away work?  There are no Redeemed Souls in play, so it does nothing.  :)

Errata is sometimes given to a card to make it do what 95% of players thinks it does.  Priests have been out for years and no one questioned whether this would work until recently.

Since RR seemed confident that it worked, and I knew the wording on card would not allow it, I assumed that the errata we'd discussed earlier had been put in place.  Apparently it never got posted.  I'll post in on the playtester side and get confirmation one way or the other.

This has nothing to do with brigade balance, nor rarity of the card.  Nothing is too powerful or too weak here.  It was simply a matter of letting the card do what it had done for years, and what 19 out of 20 players (including RR) thinks it does.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 07:20:12 PM by Bryon »
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #8 on: May 10, 2010, 07:24:13 PM »
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The default is "in play" unless the card says otherwise. Since Chamber of Angels is only ever in set-aside, that would be the default. Cards that specifiy "in set-aside" need that clause because they target a type of card (i.e. hero) which could be "in play" or "set aside." Chamber of Angels does not need the clause because there are no Chamber of Angels in play.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #9 on: May 10, 2010, 07:25:49 PM »
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Can you also post the necessary errata for Falling Away, Satan Released, and Dragon Raid at the same time? Those were the other cards mentioned that had similar issues.

I also wish that the "19 out of 20 players" criteria existed back when it was decided to errata Everyman's Sword.
« Last Edit: May 10, 2010, 07:28:22 PM by EmJayBee83 »
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #10 on: May 10, 2010, 07:27:24 PM »
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Chamber of Angels can also be in a hand or deck.

Errata was just given to PotA, Falling Away, and Spiritual Realm so that they all mention the areas where certain cards exist.  See the Errata thread.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #11 on: May 10, 2010, 07:29:05 PM »
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Quote from: Bryon on May 10, 2010, 07:27:24 PM
Chamber of Angels can also be in a hand or deck.

Was that really the best the naysayers could do?  ;)
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #12 on: May 10, 2010, 08:28:37 PM »
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Thank you everyone for your help! I feel like I understand this card a lot better now!
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #13 on: May 10, 2010, 09:24:15 PM »
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Quote from: EmJayBee83 on May 10, 2010, 07:25:49 PM
I also wish that the "19 out of 20 players" criteria existed back when it was decided to errata Everyman's Sword.

the exact reason "because X out of X players believe this is the way this card works" holds no water whatsoever.
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Re: Chamber of Angels
« Reply #14 on: May 10, 2010, 09:33:10 PM »
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Quote from: Bryon on May 10, 2010, 07:27:24 PM
Chamber of Angels can also be in a hand or deck.

Errata was just given to PotA, Falling Away, and Spiritual Realm so that they all mention the areas where certain cards exist.  See the Errata thread.
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