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So, if I negate TGT, can I put any cards I want on TGT, since it'd no longer be "empty"?

If you negate TGT and it is no longer "Empty!", I am more curious as to what card materializes on TGT.   

I would like to point out that the current (and official) REG disagrees.

Special Abilities
These are the instructions printed on the picture of some cards. ( See Anatomy of a Card and Resolving Special Ability Combinations in the rulebook).

Theology debate ahoy!

Technically, an "identifier" just says what something IS, not what action is performed by it.  On a fortress, what "Holds X" does is a special ability.

What action does "prophet" or "king" do?  Nothing on its own.  Another card can say do something to or for a prophet, but prophet is not an action.

"Holds x" on a fortress grants this special ability: "You may place X on this card."  If it is not a special ability, then it is not an action that you can perform.

If you want to be able to use the "Holds X" on a fortress to put cards in that fortress, then it needs to be a special ability.

Then why were they put in the identifiers box in the first place?  IMO, and the REG's, special abilities are the text printed on the card's picture.  Identifiers are the small text underneath or clarifying text in the SA area.  The identifier box does not hold SAs.

If it is not a special ability, then it is not an action that you can perform.

Self's ability is not a SA, yet we perform it.

Nor will it be the last but they do fix their mistakes

Then why were they put in the identifiers box in the first place?  IMO, and the REG's, special abilities are the text printed on the card's picture.  Identifiers are the small text underneath or clarifying text in the SA area.  The identifier box does not hold SAs.

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If it is not a special ability, then it is not an action that you can perform.

Self's ability is not a SA, yet we perform it.

What is Self?  The identifier tells you what it is.  In order to tell what it is (the definition of an identifier), you have to select a hero to "copy."  Otherwise, Self isn't anything.  It is all identifier.

As I already stated above, "Holds" was put into the identifier line to save space.  In retrospect, perhaps we should have just covered the entire picture with words to prevent this confusion. 

Quote from: Cameron the Conqueror on February 02, 2010, 07:08:33 PM

Then why were they put in the identifiers box in the first place?  IMO, and the REG's, special abilities are the text printed on the card's picture.  Identifiers are the small text underneath or clarifying text in the SA area.  The identifier box does not hold SAs.

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If it is not a special ability, then it is not an action that you can perform.

Self's ability is not a SA, yet we perform it.

What is Self?  The identifier tells you what it is.  In order to tell what it is (the definition of an identifier), you have to select a hero to "copy."  Otherwise, Self isn't anything.  It is all identifier.

As I already stated above, "Holds" was put into the identifier line to save space.  In retrospect, perhaps we should have just covered the entire picture with words to prevent this confusion. 

Let me make sure I understand this.  Self only has an identifier but the identifier contains a "copy" ability.  The identifier is just that and cannot be negated.  So the "copy" ability, although being an actual ability, cannot be negated because it's within the identifier?

I'm REALLY glad I'm retired!   

I'm REALLY glad I'm retired!   

I never thought I'd say this, but I don't blame you with things like these. my whole redemption world just flipped around.

Innumerable does not have */*.  Therefore, it has a copy special ability.

Self has */*.  If */* is not defined, then the card is nothingness.  You can't have a character that is nothingness.  Therefore it has an identifier, just like Silly Women and Angel with a Secret Name.

Just look for the stars.  If words on a card are telling you what the stars are, then it is an identifier.

Get it?  

I'll cry quarts if this means ruling out "cannot be Ignored" in an identifier.

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Putting an "ability" in the identifier line is IMO a perfectly legitimate way to make that "ability" CBN and active outside of battle while the rest of the card is not.

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Putting an "ability" in the identifier line is IMO a perfectly legitimate way to make that "ability" CBN and active outside of battle while the rest of the card is not.

this is always how I've viewed it.

I also have a question, which most likely has been asked, but what happens when a "hold" "ability" is negated? Is the card returned to where it was before? Is it returned to your hand? Is it discarded?

It should be returned to where it was.

I'll cry quarts if this means ruling out "cannot be Ignored" in an identifier.

This seems to be inevitable. There is no way that it could be consistent with this new ruling if "cannot be ignored" was made an identifier on the identifier line, especially when the phrase appears on other cards as special abilities. Perhaps we could make "unigorable" an identifier. But it doesn't seem likely.

Let me know how many pails you fill.