Author Topic: Holding= Sa? Or??? (Read 12523 times)

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **on:** January 30, 2010, 02:03:09 PM »

In the New REG I saw that holding was going to become a SA. Had this already happened? Or is this an upcoming attraction sorta thing?

Bryon · « **Reply #1 on:** January 30, 2010, 07:17:19 PM »

"Holds" is a special ability, regardless of where it appears on a card.

Definitions of */* abilities are identifiers, regardless of where they appear on the card.

The Schaef · « **Reply #2 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:43:20 PM »

So a warrior holding a weapon is a special ability now?

christiangamer25 · « **Reply #3 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:48:30 PM »

apparently which is nice cause now i can use john to knock it off by preventing the sa lol

3-Liner And Bags Of Chips · « **Reply #4 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:58:22 PM »

Quote from: christiangamer25 on January 30, 2010, 10:48:30 PM

apparently which is nice cause now i can use john to knock it off by preventing the sa lol

I don't think it would get "knocked off"; if that was the case and it actually does work like that, idk...i don't think i'd be happy. But dems da breaks...

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #5 on:** January 30, 2010, 10:59:15 PM »

Quote from: 3-Liner And Bags Of Chips on January 30, 2010, 10:58:22 PM

Quote from: christiangamer25 on January 30, 2010, 10:48:30 PM
apparently which is nice cause now i can use john to knock it off by preventing the sa lol

I don't think it would get "knocked off"; if that was the case and it actually does work like that, idk...i don't think i'd be happy. But dems da breaks...

If that happened I'd argue quite a bit.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #6 on:** January 30, 2010, 11:12:03 PM »

Quote from: The Schaef on January 30, 2010, 10:43:20 PM

So a warrior holding a weapon is a special ability now?

That doesn't seem right that one is an ability, the other is not.

Bryon · « **Reply #7 on:** January 30, 2010, 11:41:01 PM »

Where does the word "Holds" appear on a weapon or warrior, that isn't a special ability?

The "Holds X" words in the identifer line on a fortress is a special ability. It is defined in the rules.

The Schaef · « **Reply #8 on:** January 31, 2010, 12:02:21 AM »

The icon contains the hold "special ability" as it is now referred. And many cards refer to "if X is holding a Y".

Professoralstad · « **Reply #9 on:** January 31, 2010, 12:31:44 AM »

Quote from: The Schaef on January 31, 2010, 12:02:21 AM

The icon contains the hold "special ability" as it is now referred. And many cards refer to "if X is holding a Y".

I think that the ability to hold a weapon is, as odd as it seems, not really a hold ability. It is a part of the nature of the card, like the brigade. I wouldn't say that Widow has a "special ability" to play purple enhancements just because she is purple. Similarly I wouldn't say that the WC symbol is a special ability to hold a weapon.

My thinking is that if the ability isn't written anywhere in English on the card, then it isn't really an ability.

SirNobody · « **Reply #10 on:** January 31, 2010, 02:54:56 AM »

Hey,

Rules for place abilities don't apply to weapons because weapons are placed by game rule not by special ability.

Rules for hold abilities don't apply to weapons because weapons are held by game rule not by special ability.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

The Schaef · « **Reply #11 on:** January 31, 2010, 08:12:59 AM »

Identifiers are not special abilities, either.

Except now apparently sometimes they are.

Bryon · « **Reply #12 on:** January 31, 2010, 10:43:51 AM »

Words written on the pictures on cards are not identifiers. Except sometimes (in the case of Saul and defining stats) they are.

Words written under the pictures on cards are not special abilities. Except sometimes (in the case of "Holds...") they are.

The Schaef · « **Reply #13 on:** January 31, 2010, 11:33:41 AM »

Identifiers were created later and things that were originally on the card art were moved down there specifically to separate them from the special ability text.

I think you are very much aware of this fact, and that the context makes it so you cannot simply act like the two examples flip naturally. So I'd like to move on to the original question of why this distinction is now being erased and everything is being made arbitrary.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #14 on:** January 31, 2010, 11:44:53 AM »

So, if I negate TGT, can I put any cards I want on TGT, since it'd no longer be "empty"?

Sean · « **Reply #15 on:** January 31, 2010, 12:36:09 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 31, 2010, 11:44:53 AM

So, if I negate TGT, can I put any cards I want on TGT, since it'd no longer be "empty"?

No, because there is no ability gained that allows you to put cards in it.

Bryon · « **Reply #16 on:** January 31, 2010, 06:35:26 PM »

"Empty!" is not a special ability. Therefore, it cannot be negated.

"Holds" The Word. With an s. That word begins a special ability, even if on the identifier line. How is that difficult?

We don't have room on fortresses to fit the special ability and sometimes tricky filling and emptying special abilities. So, we put what it holds on the identifier line. It is for space purposes. "Holds" is still a special ability.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #17 on:** January 31, 2010, 06:39:15 PM »

You all missed my joke so much...

Master KChief · « **Reply #18 on:** January 31, 2010, 06:39:22 PM »

a new beginning says hello.

Bryon · « **Reply #19 on:** January 31, 2010, 07:25:32 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on January 31, 2010, 06:39:15 PM

You all missed my joke so much...

LOL. Sorry, I couldn't tell if that was as funny as it first sounded, or if you were being sarcastic. I apologize for misreading you.

The Schaef · « **Reply #20 on:** January 31, 2010, 07:30:22 PM »

That was never my understanding of the use for the identifier line. Ever.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #21 on:** January 31, 2010, 07:35:24 PM »

I agree. Identifiers have always been non-negateable. Hence how mad we were when they morphed into SAs on stuff like Z Temple.

Korunks · « **Reply #22 on:** February 01, 2010, 08:39:09 AM »

Quote from: Bryon on January 30, 2010, 07:17:19 PM

"Holds" is a special ability, regardless of where it appears on a card.

Definitions of */* abilities are identifiers, regardless of where they appear on the card.

emphasis mine, does this mean Dance of Death can now be worth 10/6 in a fbtn battle? And Goliath's spear could be worth 8/10 in a fbtn battle?

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #23 on:** February 01, 2010, 09:01:49 AM »

Quote from: Korunks on February 01, 2010, 08:39:09 AM

Quote from: Bryon on January 30, 2010, 07:17:19 PM
"Holds" is a special ability, regardless of where it appears on a card.

Definitions of */* abilities are identifiers, regardless of where they appear on the card.

emphasis mine, does this mean Dance of Death can now be worth 10/6 in a fbtn battle? And Goliath's spear could be worth 8/10 in a fbtn battle?

No. Dance of Death and G's Spear have pre-defined standard abilities (i.e., not a */* ability). The fact that they have an SA which changes these numbers does not makes them */*.

*/* abilities are exactly that--cards that have a * in either the offense or the toughness or both. An example is Angel With the Secret Name,

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #24 on:** February 01, 2010, 01:00:26 PM »

Silly Women and The Testimony are cards that have */* abilities as well.

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