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Quote from: TechnoEthicist on May 20, 2010, 08:31:31 PM

So wait, we are saying that now I can play a hero,play a bunch of cards, play highway or stillness, choose not to withdraw, get all of those cards back and repeat? Isn't that worse than the original? Why not they can only get the enhancements back after the battle has ended...which I think was the intent of the errata...

Guys clam up before bryon sees this.

  

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on May 20, 2010, 08:31:31 PM

So wait, we are saying that now I can play a hero,play a bunch of cards, play highway or stillness, choose not to withdraw, get all of those cards back and repeat? Isn't that worse than the original? Why not they can only get the enhancements back after the battle has ended...which I think was the intent of the errata...

Guys clam up before bryon sees this.

That is my point RED, I WANT this combo destroyed, it should not have been in place from the beginning. However, I sympathize with those that are affected this year with a rule change in the middle of the season, but in the end, this needs to be over with.

Quote from: RED on May 20, 2010, 08:35:25 PM

Quote from: TechnoEthicist on May 20, 2010, 08:31:31 PM

So wait, we are saying that now I can play a hero,play a bunch of cards, play highway or stillness, choose not to withdraw, get all of those cards back and repeat? Isn't that worse than the original? Why not they can only get the enhancements back after the battle has ended...which I think was the intent of the errata...

Guys clam up before bryon sees this.

That is my point RED, I WANT this combo destroyed, it should not have been in place from the beginning. However, I sympathize with those that are affected this year with a rule change in the middle of the season, but in the end, this needs to be over with.

My sentiments exactly.

This topic has been discussed among the playtesters before.  I thought we'd dealt with it, since I have not had anyone here using these types of combos.  I brought it up on the playtester board immediately after getting the PM that was mentioned in a post above.  Tim and Rob and I are all in agreement that this is the best fix.

Quote from: Bryon on May 20, 2010, 02:50:52 PM

Errata: "Hero may withdraw from battle.  If no Heroes remain in battle return all good enhancements on that hero to your hand (except this one)."

I think that officially nerfed it.

And if it's still unclear, it means you don't have to withdraw from battle, so your hero remains in battle, BUT with a hero still in battle, you don't get your enhancements back.  So it's either stay in battle and lose all of your enhancements, or withdraw and get the enhancements back.  No other options.

Why do you guys hate orignalty? at least wait until after nats.

There is nothing original about this.  This combo has been used for over a year, with variations going back years before.  The more cards we make, the more potential there is to pull this off easier and easier.  It is abusive and creates negative play experiences that turn into 20 minute turns with no chance to respond.  In Rob's words, "Highway (s) was never intended for that kind of abuse."

Quote from: RED on May 20, 2010, 09:47:19 PM

Why do you guys hate orignalty? at least wait until after nats.

There is nothing original about this.  This combo has been used for over a year, with variations going back years before.  The more cards we make, the more potential there is to pull this off easier and easier.  It is abusive and creates negative play experiences that turn into 20 minute turns with no chance to respond.  In Rob's words, "Highway (s) was never intended for that kind of abuse."

I'm talking combos in genral. Not that.

They don't hate combo's, they dislike one-turn-wonder type combo's. Combo's that make for NPE have always been frowned upon.

I don't suppose there's anyway we can get a peak into your guyses thought proccess? Maybe moving the thread over to public viewing, or just quotes on everybodies opinion?

After reading CP's post on this thread, and the lack of a counter from any other members here, forgive me if I am gunshy about allowing anyone else's name to be dragged through the mud over this issue.

At this point, it is best just ended.

I spent lots of money securing the cards to this deck under the impresison that it would be legal for this tournament season.

In your PM, you said you were trying to BEAT a deck that uses Highway recursion.  You didn't say you were the one using that deck.  I'm sorry I didn't think you were trying to beat yourself.  

I posted here to tell EVERYONE that they could not use that combo in their decks, so that you wouldn't have to worry about trying to beat that deck.

I didn't think it would be best to tell you alone "Don't worry, Highway doesn't work that way.  You'll be fine. Just wait until nationals when the judges tell them the enhancements can't be picked up if there is still a hero in battle."

It needed to get out in the open ASAP, so I posted it as soon as Rob gave his approval.

If you were the one trying to use the deck, it might have helped for you to say so in the PM.  Then, I could have warned you immediately that it wasn't likely to go your way.

I don't recall a deck using this combo ever winning nationals. In fact, I personally have never even seen a deck that uses this combo. I may be proven wrong, but although this combo may have been very powerful for a very long time, I don't think this is an issue that is so urgent it needs to be adressed mid-season. This has apparently been abused for years, and I think it can wait another few months to get errata'd.

How is this going to affect tournaments in less than 48 hours from now (ma states comes to mind) Considering that not many people frequent these boards.  There is no concievable way to contact all of them and tell them that you can't use this combo.  Instead people will show up and then the leaders get to say your deck is wrecked that combo no longer works.  

Okay my 2 cents from a person who doesn't use this combo.

Though very well needed, it needed to wait, just like the CTB/U. bread combo. People have NO idea this won't work and with many big tournaments literally days away this just isn't fair to the people who don't get on here every day. I really am wondering what happened to "Wait till after nationals for major rule changes"? It was one the best policies I've seen in card games because unlike other games were any sign of broken-ness = Banned, here we could be secure on going to regionals/nationals and having our deck work. Apparently this policy has been revoked though in an effort to do what needed to be done long ago. :/ Sorta stinks that players have to suffer.