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Offline Red Warrior

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High Priest Ananias
« on: September 06, 2014, 03:59:49 PM »
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High Priest Ananias
You may search draw or discard pile for Sanhedrin and put in hand.

Can he search for "THE Sanhedrin" character? I'm guessing not ::)
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2014, 04:36:55 PM »
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As far as I'm aware, Ananias is a specific-card-reference so it targets an exact card name (as opposed to something that searches for an angel, or an evil card, for example). He cannot search out The Sanhedrin.
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2014, 05:50:23 PM »
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Quote from: browarod on September 06, 2014, 04:36:55 PM
As far as I'm aware, Ananias is a specific-card-reference so it targets an exact card name (as opposed to something that searches for an angel, or an evil card, for example). He cannot search out The Sanhedrin.

Blast. I was REALLY looking forward to using that combo...
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2014, 06:00:42 PM »
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I'm wondering if we should have a discussion about this. For instance, can you target "King David" when a card says "David?" Usually we have literal rulings when the cards do not reference the same thing (i.e. Salome). But "Sanhedrin" and "The Sanhedrin" both refer to the same entity.

Now, a separate thought is the fact that these are different card types (enhancement vs. character). I'm not sure if this would create a precedent, since normally these rulings are related to distinguishing character cards.
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2014, 06:41:03 PM »
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Precedent is that Samuel can search for King David.

Thus, I'd have to rule that this dude is awesome
« Last Edit: September 06, 2014, 09:16:26 PM by Red Dragon Thorn »
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2014, 07:08:56 PM »
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I want to disagree.  But I can't, not really.

David = King David, and King David =/= David, that's the precedent.  However, that's just for characters, since it refers to the character based on different points in life.

I have no real reason this should not work, though I would say that if a future card searched for "The Sanhedrin" then it would only search for the character.
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2014, 10:23:05 PM »
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 I'm sure that was not the original intent of the card since there was no ( the Sanhedrin) when this high priest was created. Its cool to try to break a card and have it do things it wasn't suppose to do. I would still say it doesn't work  because he does not search for the specific title in the character card. the ( the) is a deal breaker.

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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #7 on: September 06, 2014, 10:35:35 PM »
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Quote from: faithraider on September 06, 2014, 10:23:05 PM
I'm sure that was not the original intent of the card ...

Unfortunately we cannot rule based on the "intent of the card." The title is not sufficient, since David/King David is an example where the card can be targeted even if the title does not match exactly, as long as they represent the same entity. Conversely, The Garden Tomb cannot grant ignore to a converted evil Salome, even though it does have the exact card title, since they are not the same entity.

Right now the precedent is that if both cards represent the same entity, then they can be targeted equally. The only other argument would have to center around the fact that one is an enhancement and the other is a character.
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #8 on: September 06, 2014, 10:56:30 PM »
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They have the are scripture refrence. Being the same thing ananias should search one or the other.  And think about original intent...Cough cough Splitalter cough cough
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #9 on: September 06, 2014, 11:36:29 PM »
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I dislike the Samuel ruling, I think abilities that target cards by name should be exact in all cases (the Salome situation aside because that one's just messy), but reviewing that I would revise my earlier post and confirm that Ananias could search for The Sanhedrin.

I'd prefer card titles to be exact, but I'm also fine with consistency. :P
« Last Edit: September 06, 2014, 11:38:44 PM by browarod »
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #10 on: September 06, 2014, 11:51:09 PM »
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I must confess I missed on whatever discussion surrounded Salome (let alone whether we're taking about the hero or evil character), what was the issue there? 
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #11 on: September 06, 2014, 11:53:40 PM »
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Quote from: Red Warrior on September 06, 2014, 11:51:09 PM
I must confess I missed on whatever discussion surrounded Salome (let alone whether we're taking about the hero or evil character), what was the issue there?

I assume its that TGT doesn't make the evil character salome ignore stuff.
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Re: High Priest Ananias
« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2014, 12:15:24 AM »
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Quote from: browarod on September 06, 2014, 11:36:29 PM
I dislike the Samuel ruling, I think abilities that target cards by name should be exact in all cases (the Salome situation aside because that one's just messy), ...

Perhaps this is the debate that needs to be revived.

The average player does not know the difference between the Salomes, and all other people with same names have an identifier in the title (i.e. High Priest Ananias vs. Ananias of Damascus). Maybe we should just make targets match the title exactly, with no exceptions. So what if the evil gold Salome gets converted to a hero and can now use TGT. Is it really game-changing? Likewise, does limiting "King David" from being a target for "David" abilities really matter?

The more exceptions we make, the harder it is for hosts to rule correctly, and for new players to follow along. If "exact words" becomes the rule, then there would be no debate that "Sanhedrin" is not "The Sanhedrin."
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