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I would like to propose that Herods should be classified as Romans because:

1. Herods ruled Roman territory
2. Herods were placed in power by Romans
3. Herods protected Roman interests
4. Herods were charged with spreading Roman culture to Israel

Sounds good.  The only objection I can think of: Were they of Roman descent?

Have we clarified that is a necessity for being in a culture? Or is assimilation enough? The Amalekite's Slave is Egyptian and Amalekite, so why can't Herods be Roman and Jewish(Edomite)?

Good question.  But most of the culture themes are OT, where assimilation was much different.

I once tried to argue that Daniel and homies were Babylonians, and culture was never relaly defined there, so here is try 2. And to be fair, this try is more realistic.

I'd agree that this one's much more realistic.  Although they shot down my claim that Disciples were Royalty... oh well...

I think David should be a philistine. It would help COMBO COMBO COMBO COMBO ?????!!!! Gameplay first, right?  ;D

I think David should be a philistine. It would help COMBO COMBO COMBO COMBO ??!!!! Gameplay first, right? 

fair point.

If Saul gets to be a Roman, I think it foolish that the Herods are not.

I think they should be Romans also.  Just to be consistent with Saul/Paul.

I think they're deliberately avoiding this thread.

I think they're deliberately avoiding this thread.

Not necessarily. But decisions like this need to be fully researched before any action is taken. I know I wanted to do a bit of investigating before I commented at all, and I'm guessing that any other elders that saw it had a similar idea. Remember that we do have lives outside of Redemption...

Anyway, this article includes the line: "The Herodian kings were granted Roman citizenship in return for their loyalty". Assuming that this Dr. Neil Faulkner knows what he's talking about, I see no reason why the Herods would not be considered Romans on the same basis as Paul. If anyone else can find any evidence that corroborates this information, that would be even more convincing.  

And I would absolutely love to be able to use Romans Destroy Jerusalem in my Red Warriors/ Herods deck.

I will bring this up on the Elder side of the boards, and hopefully we'll have an answer shortly. From a gameplay standpoint, I can only think of 3 cards that it affects: Washing Hands, Romans Destroy Jerusalem, and Mocking Soldier, since the rest of the cards that refer to Romans refer specifically to Emperors. Washing Hands will never be used by Herods (unless you draft a Herod, HT, and Washing Hands in BD I suppose), but even if it were, it's certainly not OP'd. Mocking Soldier might be a decent addition to a Herods deck if you want to splash in a Plot/Gib Trick/etc, but will still probably see limited use. So really only RDJ will be greatly affected, and it would help Herods immensely vs. their biggest nemesis: N.T Females. If a Herods defense gets attacked by the four garden girls, all they need to do is block and play RDJ: goodbye to not only the four women, but also to the Fortress that makes the band CBN.

All that said, I fully support this change. Good find Alex!

EDIT: This Brittanica article seems to make the case pretty clear.

yeah my problem with this is rdj blows up your own herod's temple too

Nobody is going to make you use RDJ 

yeah i know gabe just commenting

Awesome.