Author Topic: Healing (Read 4442 times)

Josh · « **on:** October 01, 2010, 09:15:47 PM »

Ok, I'm trying to understand healing better. Here are some situations that I'm not sure about:

1. I attack with Abishai/Asahel/Benaiah (K). The only lost soul I have access to is in a green site. My opponent CMs Benaiah. Can I play Brass Serpent during the battle phase, perhaps on a hero in my territory? Or is it negated by Benaiah?

2. Same scenario as 1, except instead of Brass Serpent, I have I Am Healing active. I use it to heal Benaiah. Does he stay in battle or is he returned to territory?

CJSports · « **Reply #1 on:** October 01, 2010, 09:51:56 PM »

Healing returns him to territory and healing cards are not actually be playing in battle, they are a little like dominants in that sense.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #2 on:** October 01, 2010, 11:16:06 PM »

As far as I know, Healing cards can be played whenever a set aside could.

Professoralstad · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2010, 08:03:03 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 01, 2010, 11:16:06 PM

As far as I know, Healing cards can be played whenever a set aside could.

Not quite. They can also be played during battle, and on your opponent's turn (otherwise Torment and Healing of Namaan would be much less useful). They are essentially like dominants that can only be used if there is someone you control of their brigade that can use them in play or discarded on that turn.

Josh · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2010, 11:44:21 AM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 02, 2010, 08:03:03 AM

Not quite. They can also be played during battle, and on your opponent's turn (otherwise Torment and Healing of Namaan would be much less useful). They are essentially like dominants that can only be used if there is someone you control of their brigade that can use them in play or discarded on that turn.

So in relation to scenario 1 above, I could heal Benaiah using a hero outside of battle, right? And it wouldn't be negated? So would Benaiah stay in battle in either of the scenarios?

EDIT: New question in addition to the one above. If I set aside a hero with Provisions, hero returns, and then my opponent CMs the hero and I use Brass Serpent, does the hero retain the gained ability from Provisions?

Rawrlolsauce! · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2010, 12:38:00 PM »

Quote from: Professoralstad on October 02, 2010, 08:03:03 AM

someone you control

WHAT?!@?!?! I CAN'T HEAL MY OPPONENT'S CARD?!?!?! >:c >:c >:c >:c

If I exchange a hero for Stalks of Flax and then CM the hero I gave my opponent, I can't brass serpent it? (I assume?)

EDIT: I misread. Nevermind me. So, I can heal my opponent's hero as long as I have a hero out for Brass Serpent?

galadgawyn · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2010, 01:16:15 PM »

1. You can play healing cards and set-aside cards in a battle but then they follow the rules of initiative and Brass Serpent would be negated by Benaiah. Also even if your healing enhancement was CBN, if played during battle it would still return him to territory. Healing cards (like set-asides) can also be played outside of battle so instead you can wait until the Battle Phase is over and heal him during your discard phase when Benaiah's ability is no longer active to prevent it.

It is also a uniquely weird situation where the requirement to have a character of matching brigade in order to play an enhancement can be met by the hero that you want to heal even if it is in the discard pile.

2. As mentioned, he returns to territory.

3. The hero does retain the gained ability. Healing sort of undoes their discard so that they keep all gained abilities but they don't get back weapons or placed enhancements.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #7 on:** October 03, 2010, 06:05:04 AM »

So far nobody has answered this correctly. You could play Brass Serpent during battle, but Benaiah would Negate it.

Real answer: just wait until after battle, even if Benaiah didn't Negate it during battle (which he does), you still wouldn't have access to the Soul since Healed cards go to territory.

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #8 on:** October 03, 2010, 12:20:58 PM »

Does healing a diseased character kick them out of battle?

Smokey · « **Reply #9 on:** October 03, 2010, 01:31:52 PM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 03, 2010, 12:20:58 PM

Does healing a diseased character kick them out of battle?

Yes, all healed cards return to territory.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #10 on:** October 04, 2010, 10:41:03 AM »

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 03, 2010, 06:05:04 AM

So far nobody has answered this correctly. You could play Brass Serpent during battle, but Benaiah would Negate it.

Real answer: just wait until after battle, even if Benaiah didn't Negate it during battle (which he does), you still wouldn't have access to the Soul since Healed cards go to territory.

Quote from: galadgawyn on October 02, 2010, 01:16:15 PM

.... Healing cards (like set-asides) can also be played outside of battle so instead you can wait until the Battle Phase is over and heal him during your discard phase when Benaiah's ability is no longer active to prevent it.

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #11 on:** October 04, 2010, 11:37:26 AM »

Quote from: Master_Chi on October 04, 2010, 10:41:03 AM

Quote from: Minister Polarius on October 03, 2010, 06:05:04 AM
So far nobody has answered this correctly. You could play Brass Serpent during battle, but Benaiah would Negate it.

Real answer: just wait until after battle, even if Benaiah didn't Negate it during battle (which he does), you still wouldn't have access to the Soul since Healed cards go to territory.

Quote from: galadgawyn on October 02, 2010, 01:16:15 PM
.... Healing cards (like set-asides) can also be played outside of battle so instead you can wait until the Battle Phase is over and heal him during your discard phase when Benaiah's ability is no longer active to prevent it.

Fail. He was closest to right, but said that healing Enhancements have to follow the rules of initiative during battle phase.

galadgawyn · « **Reply #12 on:** October 04, 2010, 07:40:10 PM »

Um, you fail on your fail?

Healing enhancements (and set-asides) in fact do have to follow the rules of initiative if played during a battle. From the Reg description of healing enhancements:

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If you play a healing enhancement in battle according to initiative,

Minister Polarius · « **Reply #13 on:** October 04, 2010, 10:41:54 PM »

It's been played differently for ages, and the REG is so flawed you never know what to believe in there anymore.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #14 on:** October 05, 2010, 08:20:28 AM »

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3. The hero does retain the gained ability. Healing sort of undoes their discard so that they keep all gained abilities but they don't get back weapons or placed enhancements.

I dont think this is correct

Lamborghini_diablo · « **Reply #15 on:** October 05, 2010, 09:08:46 AM »

Quote from: RTSmaniac on October 05, 2010, 08:20:28 AM

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3. The hero does retain the gained ability. Healing sort of undoes their discard so that they keep all gained abilities but they don't get back weapons or placed enhancements.

I dont think this is correct

I am 99% sure it is correct, otherwise heroless would have been much easier to stop in the past.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #16 on:** October 05, 2010, 09:11:58 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 05, 2010, 09:08:46 AM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on October 05, 2010, 08:20:28 AM
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3. The hero does retain the gained ability. Healing sort of undoes their discard so that they keep all gained abilities but they don't get back weapons or placed enhancements.

I dont think this is correct

I am 99% sure it is correct, otherwise heroless would have been much easier to stop in the past.

I think since you heal them before they are actually discarded, they retain everything. Only if something like Raising of the Saints was played on a Hero in Potter's Field (or Kerith Revine) would the character lose their gains.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #17 on:** October 05, 2010, 10:23:42 AM »

Only Potter's Field directly says to treat it as a discarded hero.

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #18 on:** October 05, 2010, 10:28:10 AM »

Quote from: Lamborghini_diablo on October 05, 2010, 09:08:46 AM

Quote from: RTSmaniac on October 05, 2010, 08:20:28 AM
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3. The hero does retain the gained ability. Healing sort of undoes their discard so that they keep all gained abilities but they don't get back weapons or placed enhancements.

I dont think this is correct

I am 99% sure it is correct, otherwise heroless would have been much easier to stop in the past.

the bolded part was what i was questioning.

SomeKittens · « **Reply #19 on:** October 05, 2010, 10:31:19 AM »

Seeing as they haven't hit the discard pile, I think they should keep them.

Master_Chi · « **Reply #20 on:** October 05, 2010, 10:42:23 AM »

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 05, 2010, 10:23:42 AM

Only Potter's Field directly says to treat it as a discarded hero.

That's why I made the exception for Potter's Field and Kerith Ravine.

Quote from: SomeKittens on October 05, 2010, 10:31:19 AM

Seeing as they haven't hit the discard pile, I think they should keep them.

I agree.

CountFount · « **Reply #21 on:** October 05, 2010, 10:45:10 AM »

I agree as well.

In most cases, the card is healing the character, not raising him from the grave

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #22 on:** October 05, 2010, 11:00:05 AM »

In other card games its considered a replacement effect. Could be considered an instead ability because instead of the discard pile it goes to territory.

browarod · « **Reply #23 on:** October 05, 2010, 12:46:35 PM »

I guess I always thought of the ruling like this: If a warrior is utterly crushed on the battlefield, even if you can patch up his wounds (healing enhancement), you can't salvage his damaged armor/gear (weapons/placed enhancements) unless you're David and have a magical Tent.

SirNobody · « **Reply #24 on:** October 05, 2010, 01:59:31 PM »

Hey,

A character healed from a poison or disease remains in his current location. A character healed from discard is returned to it's controller's territory.

Gained Abilities/Weapons/Placed cards are all retained when a character is healed. Healing makes it as if the character was never discarded.

I'm pretty sure healing cards played during battle have to be played according to initiative rules.

Tschow,

Tim "Sir Nobody" Maly

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