Author Topic: Healing Saul/Paul when discarded from hand? (Read 6030 times)

stefferweffer · « **on:** May 05, 2010, 07:01:29 PM »

Can I discard Saul/Paul from my hand so I can play Healing of Naaman on him? I don't think so, but thought I should ask.

Thanks.

D-man · « **Reply #1 on:** May 05, 2010, 07:12:35 PM »

As a longtime heroless player, I believe that the answer is yes.

EDIT: See Tim Maly's (Sir Nobody) first response to this thread.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #2 on:** May 05, 2010, 07:52:15 PM »

I would still say that this is contrary to what the rulebook clearly states. The Discard Phase ends with the discarding of cards from hand. Any other cards would have to be played before you discard from hand.

stefferweffer · « **Reply #3 on:** May 06, 2010, 10:35:47 AM »

Ok then, what about Site discard LS, or any other ability that forces me to choose a card from hand and discard it? Could I do this at that time?

stefferweffer · « **Reply #4 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:22:57 PM »

Quote from: stefferweffer on May 06, 2010, 10:35:47 AM

Ok then, what about Site discard LS, or any other ability that forces me to choose a card from hand and discard it? Could I do this at that time?

Anyone? Does the above work?

Professoralstad · « **Reply #5 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:25:54 PM »

Yes. You can play Healing of Namaan on a Saul that you discard from hand by a special ability.

ChristianSoldier · « **Reply #6 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:27:10 PM »

The only reason you can't heal Saul (or any character) when they are discarded at the end of the turn discard is because there is not time to play a healing enhancement between the discard and your opponents turn

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #7 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:46:07 PM »

Thats the thing, healing enh can be played out of battle, that includes the d/c phase because until you say "Your turn" your turn has not ended.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #8 on:** May 06, 2010, 04:50:13 PM »

You can play healing enhancements in the Discard Phase, but not after you discard down to 8 cards. The rulebook specifies that all the things you want to do in the Discard Phase must be done before the "discard down." I know that my interpretation is not likely to be a concern to anyone, but the rulebook seems very clear to me that you cannot heal a hero that you discarded during the "discard down" portion of the Discard Phase. You can only heal heroes discarded prior to the "discard down."

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #9 on:** May 06, 2010, 10:14:10 PM »

The year book is also outdated though. I'm not saying you aren't right, I'm saying we need an official here.

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #10 on:** May 06, 2010, 10:29:20 PM »

My yearbook is outdated? You mean the Pittsburgh Pirates are no longer the best team in baseball??

We are fam-i-leeeeee......

TheKarazyvicePresidentRR · « **Reply #11 on:** May 06, 2010, 10:33:10 PM »

How did I manage that? Rulebook*

D-man · « **Reply #12 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:14:55 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 06, 2010, 10:29:20 PM

My yearbook is outdated? You mean the Pittsburgh Pirates are no longer the best team in baseball??

We are fam-i-leeeeee......

They're second only to the Brewers, who beat them 20-0 a few weeks ago.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #13 on:** May 07, 2010, 10:35:32 AM »

If your at 9 cards in hand after discarding Saul, could you play Healing of Naaman?

YourMathTeacher · « **Reply #14 on:** May 07, 2010, 02:18:32 PM »

Quote from: Alex_Olijar on May 07, 2010, 10:35:32 AM

If your at 9 cards in hand after discarding Saul, could you play Healing of Naaman?

Is this a general question, or directed at me? I would of course say "No." Once you start "discarding down" you have signaled that you will not be playing any cards. If you had cards to play, you would have had to play them before you "discard down."

RTSmaniac · « **Reply #15 on:** May 08, 2010, 11:44:51 PM »

Other card games i play *cough magic cough* do not end the turn until the player states that they end the turn. then the opponent can still do things in response to the turn ending...

cdbany · « **Reply #16 on:** May 09, 2010, 07:18:07 PM »

in the rulebook the actions that may be performed are listed. AFTER the actions it states "After you have completed all the actions you choose, you must reduce the cards in your hand to eight or less." Therefore once you are reducing your hand to eight or less, the opportunity to heal has passed.

in Him
Chris

Prof Underwood · « **Reply #17 on:** May 10, 2010, 10:55:24 AM »

Quote from: YourMathTeacher on May 06, 2010, 04:50:13 PM

You can play healing enhancements in the Discard Phase, but not after you discard down to 8 cards. The rulebook specifies that all the things you want to do in the Discard Phase must be done before the "discard down."

According to a straight reading of the rulebook, YMT is correct. However, according to a straight reading of the rulebook, you can only discard cards from your hand at the end of your turn to get down to 8 cards. However, everyone has been playing for a long time that you can discard down to less than 8 cards if you want to (ie. clearing hand for Zebulun, discarding an ec to put Hormah on the bottom, etc.).

Therefore, either the rulebook section on the discard phase at the end of your turn is out of date and no longer authoritative (my vote), or everyone has been playing wrong.

redemptioncousin · « **Reply #18 on:** May 10, 2010, 11:03:52 AM »

Since when can you discard down to less than 8 cards. I've never played that way. If this is true, Hormah and Zebulen are indeed a lot more powerful.

Alex_Olijar · « **Reply #19 on:** May 10, 2010, 11:16:58 AM »

You've always been able to do that as far as I know RC.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #20 on:** May 10, 2010, 11:43:52 AM »

I'm not sure what you are referring to... This is from the rulebook (accessed through the REG):

Quote

After you have completed all the actions you choose, you must reduce the cards in your hand to eight or less. If you have eight or fewer cards in your hand, then you should announce that you are finished. If you have more than eight cards in your hand, then you should reduce the cards in your hand down to eight or fewer by discarding cards from your hand face up on the top of your discard pile.
This ends your turn. Play now passes to the left.

Clearly, you can discard down to less than 8 cards. Am I missing something? I looked in the hard copy 10th anniversary rulebook, and it says the same thing.

D-man · « **Reply #21 on:** May 10, 2010, 12:31:11 PM »

Prof Underwood's point is that many people have been discarding cards from their hands before the end of the discard phase.

Ken4Christ4ever · « **Reply #22 on:** May 10, 2010, 12:32:56 PM »

Really? Interesting... I haven't played that way since the rulebook was clear that discarding was last, so I hadn't realized people did otherwise!

EmJayBee83 · « **Reply #23 on:** May 10, 2010, 12:58:14 PM »

Quote from: D-man on May 10, 2010, 12:31:11 PM

Prof Underwood's point is that many people have been discarding cards from their hands before the end of the discard phase.

I have never heard of this, and I know it has been ruled oppositely in every tournament I have attended where the question has been asked.

This was asked about back when the Speed Bump lost soul was introduced with Priests, and the ruling then was that you could NOT choose to discard cards to get under the 11 card limit. Once you start discarding cards of your own volition, you forfeit your right to rescue; discarding places you in the discard phase.

ACe · « **Reply #24 on:** May 10, 2010, 01:25:05 PM »

Can you heal a FBTN Evil character with torment? or does the effect get negated? or like his saul/paul question if i have Kot in play and some one discards my Saul can i play torment on KoT?

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Author Topic: Healing Saul/Paul when discarded from hand? (Read 6030 times)