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Offline SirNobody

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"By a Hero"
« on: July 28, 2012, 08:32:31 AM »
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Hey,

Am I correct in believing that Herod the Great's ability works when using him to block Isaiah with Isaiah's Call on him?

Herod the Great (Di)
Type: Evil Char. • Brigade: Gold • Ability: 8 / 9 • Class: Warrior • Special Ability: Search deck for Herod's Temple. Return all but one Hero in battle to territory. Prevent good banding abilities. Cannot be prevented by a Hero.

Isaiah's Call (FF2)
Type: Hero Enh. • Brigade: Silver/Green • Ability: None • Class: Territory • Special Ability: Search deck or discard pile for Isaiah and put him in play. Place on Isaiah: While in battle, Isaiah has Site access and negates Lost Souls, Sites and Evil Characters.

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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #1 on: July 28, 2012, 08:37:50 AM »
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If Isaiah is in battle before Herod, Herod's ability cannot be prevented.
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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #2 on: July 28, 2012, 10:35:51 AM »
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That is a tricky one.  Is Isaiah trying to prevent Herod (which he can't do), or is Isaiah's Call preventing Herod (which it can do)?

I'll wait to hear other opinions.  :)

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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #3 on: July 28, 2012, 10:48:11 AM »
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My opinion is that Herod would work because Isaiah's Call says "While in battle, Isaiah has...

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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2012, 11:13:38 AM »
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Yes. Being prevented by an enhancement is being prevented by the Hero who played it. See: David's Triumph.

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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #5 on: July 28, 2012, 11:29:12 AM »
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Yes. Being prevented by an enhancement is being prevented by the Hero who played it. See: David's Triumph.

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I suppose that is kinda the same thing as being immune to a hero which means that you are immune to the enhancements played on the hero.

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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #6 on: July 28, 2012, 11:54:59 AM »
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Enhancements used by a character are as if the character is targeting.  This is why it has been ruled that Creeping Deceiver cannot be negated by a character or enhancements they play.

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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #7 on: July 28, 2012, 02:56:58 PM »
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Also see Thaddeus, it was ruled that enhancements played by an EC cannot target him because they count as the EC using the ability.
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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #8 on: July 28, 2012, 03:44:06 PM »
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Also see Creeping Deceiver
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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #9 on: July 28, 2012, 04:29:59 PM »
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I actually thought this was for something else, as can Herod the Great return everything but one Hero back to territory. As including Sites, etc.
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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #10 on: July 28, 2012, 05:39:05 PM »
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I actually thought this was for something else, as can Herod the Great return everything but one Hero back to territory. As including Sites, etc.

Interesting idea, but I don't think that use of 'all' is standard or consistent with any other abilities. "All but one Hero" has been used on several cards as referring to every Hero except for one of them, and it will continue to be used in that fashion. If that type of ability were made it would say "all cards except one Hero".
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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #11 on: July 29, 2012, 01:44:01 AM »
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I'm fairly certain that the Creeping Deceiver and Thaddeus ruling has little bearing, (it may still apply although I'm not sure since Isaiah's Call could have been played on a character several turns ago, does it still go that far back to see if it is still played on a hero?)

But the key thing is that Isaiah's Call says that Isaiah negates evil characters (among other things) Isaiah is the one attempting to negate the ability, similar to how a Gathered character is doing the banding (yes I realize that there is a slight difference, in that Isaiah's Call sticks around while Gathering of Angels is discarded, but the principle is the same)

At least that's my take on it.
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Re: "By a Hero"
« Reply #12 on: July 29, 2012, 04:17:12 AM »
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Isaiah's Call is played by whatever Hero originally played it, not necessarily. However, it clearly states that Isaiah is the one doing the Negating. The real question is whether this counts as giving Isaiah a SA.
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