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TGT's special ability is targeting all cards not in battle and applying the ignore ability to them. ignore is not targeting, TGT is targeting which cards TO ignore. Thus TGT's special ability has a target, but ignore still has none. No contradiction.
If you rewrite the 3rd part of the the definition of ignore to "characters not in the field of battle and ignored cannot enter the field of battle" then this all goes away.
Either Redoubter needs to be made aware that the current ruling is final, or Elders need to acknowledge his complaint and respond to it.
Cards "not in battle" are cards found in (1) territories, (2) set aside areas, and (3) Lands of Redemption.
The phrase ‘in battle’ or ‘current battle’ refers to any cards in the current battle that can be either the primary battle (rescue attempt or battle challenge) or it can refer to a side battle, NOT BOTH. See also Battle Phase.The phrase ‘Field of Battle’ refers to any cards in the Field of Battle including primary battle and side battles.
In addition, when we do get any answer, can we have someone let us know why we are being told Ignore does target the battle (accepted for now, not arguing it) when the REG states "Part (3) above has no target."? Thank you
As for "not in battle", there is a difference between a phrase used in the REG and a phrase used on a card. Phrases on cards have to have certain wording to avoid awkward situations (e.g. "Not in battle" = "any card in the game not in the current battle" would allow Angry Mob getting all Heroes from hands, decks, and discard piles and shuffling them up). However, in the REG, the phrase is used in the more literal sense. I agree that that too could be made more clear, and perhaps making ignore a specialized type of restrict ability would be a way to do it. What I can say is that the way ignore does work (and will work for all of the upcoming tournies this summer) is that it stops players from putting certain characters in battle.
Quote from: Redoubter on March 25, 2012, 11:40:23 AMIn addition, when we do get any answer, can we have someone let us know why we are being told Ignore does target the battle (accepted for now, not arguing it) when the REG states "Part (3) above has no target."? Thank you The best way I can explain it is that "targeting the battlefield" is more of a concept used to describe what happens, and not really a targeting ability in the more traditional sense. When I used the phrase (I think it was me who said it) that was just how I had heard it explained before; it may not necessarily be the best way to phrase it. Another way to state it would be that ignore makes the state of the game to be such that certain EC's cannot enter battle (i.e. it "targets" the state of the game). It could certainly be made more clear, but for now that's how it has been and will continue to be interpreted/ruled, and hopefully clarification will happen eventually.As for "not in battle", there is a difference between a phrase used in the REG and a phrase used on a card. Phrases on cards have to have certain wording to avoid awkward situations (e.g. "Not in battle" = "any card in the game not in the current battle" would allow Angry Mob getting all Heroes from hands, decks, and discard piles and shuffling them up). However, in the REG, the phrase is used in the more literal sense. I agree that that too could be made more clear, and perhaps making ignore a specialized type of restrict ability would be a way to do it. What I can say is that the way ignore does work (and will work for all of the upcoming tournies this summer) is that it stops players from putting certain characters in battle. Hopefully that helps for now. I can't promise anything more solid than that is in the works, but at least it should be able to be ruled correctly for now.
