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Redemption® Collectible Trading Card Game HQ => Official Rules & Errata => Ruling Questions => Topic started by: TheHobbit13 on June 04, 2015, 03:49:58 PM
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Is Damsel with Spirit of Divination Greek?
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I tried to make this case to a couple of elders once, they did not agree. You're welcome to pick up the fight though.
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I don't see anything in the passage to indicate that she was actually Greek, even if she was in that region. She was a slave, and it is not clear what to consider her as. I imagine that's how it went in past arguments, but I'll look deeper into it.
EDIT: Not finding any discussion on the boards about this. I'm not convinced she is Greek at this point just based on the verses.
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Is it more likely that she was a Greek slave or a slave from an other country though!? When we think of a slave with think of an export but back then the slave trade wasn't extraordinarily large compared to what it has been. Either way its not clear cut but the origional one is black so :D I find it ironic that so many liberties are taken to make her a magician but not a greek.
“These men are Jews, and are throwing our city into an uproar 21 by advocating customs unlawful for us Romans to accept or practice.” Acts 16:20
They could have easily said Greeks but are using the term Romans to present a more favorable argument to the magistrates. It seems to me Damsel is included in "us" because she is the one who is literally practicing what is "unlawful"
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I find it ironic that so many liberties are taken to make her a magician but not a greek.
That's completely wrong, she fits the Magician definition explicitly:
Magicians
Magicians are evil characters that practiced or performed sorcery, divination, enchantment,
astrology, wizardry, or other magical arts with the help of demonic forces.
She practiced divination with the help of a demon (the evil spirit that was cast out of her). She is a magician without any question.
As far as the Greek, when you have to get into what is 'more likely' then that is generally going to be an admission that there is not enough proof to shift the status quo. If you can find more evidence, we can reconsider.
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I find it ironic that so many liberties are taken to make her a magician but not a greek.
That's completely wrong, she fits the Magician definition explicitly:
Damsel is the victim here. Possession is a lot different than using demonic powers for your advantage.
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I find it ironic that so many liberties are taken to make her a magician but not a greek.
That's completely wrong, she fits the Magician definition explicitly:
Damsel is the victim here. Possession is a lot different than using demonic powers for your advantage.
I don't see anything in the definition about whether you had to be the one profiting from the act, or willingly be the instigator. She fits the definition, that's all there is to it.
To try to say that it is ironic that we somehow forced her in there but don't want to make her Greek with 'more' evidence is not backed by any of the scripture or definitions, and has no basis here.
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I backed it with a verse.
Using it for profit implies that you used demonic forces to help you. The demon is the one doing the divining, after it is gone here owners are mad that she doesn't have special powers anymore (I doubt they believe she was possessed) so I don't see where it is helping her; the demon does all the work.
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I backed it with a verse.
Using it for profit implies that you used demonic forces to help you. The demon is the one doing the divining, after it is gone here owners are mad that she doesn't have special powers anymore (I doubt they believe she was possessed) so I don't see where it is helping her; the demon does all the work.
No human can do divination on their own, that's the whole point of the definition. It explicitly talks about doing this with the help of demonic powers.
This really is not an argument to be had about this based on the definition of magician. It is absolutely clear. It will not change. Not saying that to be mean, but to try and point out that this is a futile argument, because the rules are crystal clear on this one.
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I backed it with a verse.
Your verse's support is very, very weak in the case of showing she was Greek, it isn't even clear that they were referring to the slave girl in the 'us', it sounds like they just got mad at Paul for cutting off their income so they went to the magistrate to try and get Paul and his friends arrested, whether they were true. There is no indication that they consider the slave girl as one of them.
And to make a point about slaves in the Roman Empire, they could have just been someone who was sold into slavery to pay a debt, or a child left by their parents and taken as a slave, or someone from a conquered territory (which could include Greece, since that was conquered by Rome and there were many Greek slaves in the Roman empire) or just as easily someone from Gaul, or Egypt, or Carthage, so there really isn't enough information to say she was any more Greek than Daniel was Babylonian when he was first imported (Daniel was an imported slave, albeit a highly educated and high class slave, but a slave nonetheless).
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I guess we can't even joke around here :o
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I guess we can't even joke around here :o
Where was the joke exactly? I missed it somehow. :scratch:
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I guess we can't even joke around here :o
I'm not even sure what this post means, I don't see any jokes in your previous posts (perhaps point them out?), just arguments against the ruling given and a continued insistence in the posts that there is a reason not to include as magician. It wasn't just one sentence, it was entire thoughts and arguments, which is why there are no jokes coming through out of that post.
Which is why I responded the way I did, to emphasize the reason for the ruling and that it isn't going to be in question.
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I posted a video of Salena Gomeez singing ohoohoh its magic and it got deleted lol :-\
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I posted a video of Salena Gomeez singing ohoohoh its magic and it got deleted lol :-\
I did not see that, but it should have been deleted, as it goes against the rules of this particular board.
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And it did. :police:
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Hobbit, If you're wondering where your last post went...I think you know better than that.
Question has been answered, I think this thread should be locked. I'll let the board mod moderate from here on out.
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Maybe I would if people stop deleting my posts, it gets old
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Somebody needs a Happy Meal. ;)